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Hill -o- Ree! (God forbid)
1 posted on 05/07/2004 7:36:40 AM PDT by ride the whirlwind
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Hillary wants to be president? Ohmigawd, I'm so scared! I say 'Bring it on, Baby!' and she will so energize the opposition base she will be destroyed. Add to that the fact that any time she speaks extemporaneously she sticks her foot in her mouth (remember Gandhi the gas station attendant?). C'mon Smartest Woman in the World, let's see what you got.
2 posted on 05/07/2004 7:41:54 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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Kind of contrived scenario. Hitlery gambled that Bush would be tough to beat this year, and maybe he isn't, but its too late for her, IMO.
3 posted on 05/07/2004 7:45:09 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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Dope smoking paranoia. The mechanics of changing the ballots in 50 states, the majority of which are controlled by the R's makes this some weird horror fantasy. Kerry has to voluntarily quit prior to the nomination for this to happen.
4 posted on 05/07/2004 7:45:34 AM PDT by don'tbedenied
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As she grills RUMSFELD today on National TV in Time of War...


.."IS it SAFE?" = HILLARY on Senate Armed Services Committee..

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=629







HILLARY and TERRORISM's plan to regain the White House

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1022571/posts
9 posted on 05/07/2004 7:48:32 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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...demonstrate to Kerry that the Clintons are fully capable of – in the currently popular metaphor – sucking the oxygen out of his campaign, if they choose to use their hold on the media, the Democrats’ base, and the charisma chasm which separates Bill Clinton from John Kerry.

Let's remember that the Clinton's are not all powerful. Remember who they backed for President? Wesley "I Am the Very Model of a Modern Major General" Clark? How did that turn out? Clark flopped, and Clinton lent significant backdoor support to him.

10 posted on 05/07/2004 7:48:50 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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Why doesn't she just have aliens switch her identity with Kerry? That would be simpler.
11 posted on 05/07/2004 7:51:08 AM PDT by TomEwall
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OK, that's the best rendering (and when I think of the Hilde-beast, my thoughts go to rendering ;'} on this topic, but it's still tin foil territory.
The tortuous manipulations necessary to pull this off as so "off the map" that it is simply unthinkable.
Of course I do recognize that leftists would readily vote for a jar of urine if that turned out to be their candidate....
12 posted on 05/07/2004 7:52:28 AM PDT by rockrr ("If this were a perfect world, Democrats would just be a bad memory - like Typhoid")
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Who is the author? Some nuanced writer pandering for a job in Hill's cabinet? Talk about conspiracy theories.
13 posted on 05/07/2004 7:52:38 AM PDT by sarasota
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The biggest hole I see in this scenario is in convincing John F'ing Kerry to accept Hildabeast as his running mate.

He would have to realize that he would be massively overshadowed, which is something I do not think his ego would take well. He would also have to realize that he would be a prime candidate for Arkancide or at least Torching.

The other point is that Kerry is part of the Kennedy wing of the Dem party, which (I believe) is and has been in a deathmatch with the Clinton wing of the party.
14 posted on 05/07/2004 7:52:45 AM PDT by RebelBanker (Get ready, little lady. Hell is coming to breakfast.)
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She also probably recognizes that her own talents as a campaigner are limited enough that a long, drawn-out Presidential race might not come out the way she wishes.

This is true. Hillary's stump skills are extremely limited. She is a poor public speaker. She is better in one-on-one interviews. But in all honesty most politicians are poor public speakers when compared to polished speakers of 80 and 100 years ago.

16 posted on 05/07/2004 7:56:09 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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The Teresa factor might well make Senator Kerry uniquely vulnerable to “persuasion” and “reason” coming from uniquely well-informed sources

And if that doesn't work, there's always Arkancide.

18 posted on 05/07/2004 8:13:49 AM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus
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If hillary gets the nomination as Vice President on a John Kerry ticket, Kerry's life expectation would be the same has that of a beer at a frat party
19 posted on 05/07/2004 8:13:55 AM PDT by sticker
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...and the realization sinks in that Kerry's been just another useful idiot, lucky that nothing worse happened to him...hmmmmm. Could happen.

Remember that movie Body Heat--one of my favorite movies. What I liked most was the way it showed how unbelievably devious and manipulative it is possible for someone to be. Most people would not imagine that such could be possible, and, once all was accomplished, most people would not believe what had happened.

There are people just that smart, just that audacious, self-confident, and destined for success. They seem to have a sixth sense that leads them, and they "do...what is necessary" (to quote the movie).

It's possible.

25 posted on 05/07/2004 8:36:05 AM PDT by Savage Beast (My parents, grandparents, and greatgrandparents were all Democrats. My children are Republicans.)
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And there are only three or so weeks for her enemies to do their worst.

...which is very little. Don't forget: there is 2 MONTHS before the election when her opponents are muted, thanks to McCain-Feingold. Infinite free time for her supporters (left-leaning news media outlets can promote her all they want), vs. official opponents scrabbling for what little "hard money" remains (nobody else is allowed to run political ads 60 days before the election, and the Supreme Court has upheld it).

33 posted on 05/07/2004 9:34:56 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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Isn't there another factor that could work in Hillary's favor if all the above occurs......something about an election law that forbids personal attacks 30-60(?) days prior to the election?
34 posted on 05/07/2004 9:40:49 AM PDT by american spirit
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>If Senator Kerry were to suddenly announce that “on advice of his physicians” he is stepping down,

Kerry won't step down
because that move would cut short
Hillary's own time.

As VP she'll get
eight years, then, as Prez, eight more.
That's sixteen, total . . .

35 posted on 05/07/2004 9:46:25 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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This is not that wild of a scenario. Believe it or not, it is how Arnold Schwarzenegger won California. I am not as confident that he would have survived a bruising, 9-month campaign and the mud and cr-p that the Dems would have hurled at him. But he did survive an intense 35-day campaign -- even as the Dems trotted our Hollywood starlets and other babes to denounce him.

It's a scenario, to be sure, but I don't doubt that Hillary has a half dozen strategies, and this might be one of them.

44 posted on 05/07/2004 11:32:57 AM PDT by tom h (.)
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Ahem....only one problem with that scenario...

04/19/04 - The Federal Election Commission has opened a formal probe into a star-studded Aug. 12, 2000 Hollywood fundraiser for then-first lady Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign, Fox News Channel reported on Sunday. And some say the development is at least partly responsible for Sen. Clinton's claim that she's not interested in joining John Kerry's presidential ticket.

The allegations themselves are not new: Two of the event's organizers, Hollywood producer Peter Paul and charity fundraiser Aaron Tonken, have detailed a series of transactions undertaken in conjunction with Hillary's campaign that could violate FEC regulations, with Paul charging that the campaign failed to report nearly $2 million he spent producing the event.

But months before Paul was returned to the U.S. to stand trial in the stock case, Hollywood fundraiser Aaron Tonken began cooperating with federal probers. Tonken has said that he's a star witness against the Clintons in a federal grand jury probe in New York into Mr. Clinton's Marc Rich pardon - and has been cooperating with the U.S. attorney in Los Angeles who's probing his fundraising activities.

FEC Heat Hurts Hillary's VP Chances

This will be compounded by the fact that Marc Rich has just been connected to the UN oil for food scandal.

Background:

New York Sen. Hillary Clinton surely hopes that history isn't repeating itself with the raid conducted by the FBI last month on another warehouse; this one chock full of documents from her 2000 Senatorial campaign.

"The documents were seized in a May 30 raid of a California storage facility containing documents of Peter Paul, the entrepreneur who funded Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign with over $2 million dollars in direct, in-kind contributions which were never reported by Hillary Clinton or her Senate campaign, as required by law," revealed the public interest law firm Judicial Watch in a press release late last week.

FBI Raids Hillary's Warehouse in Whitewater Deja Vu

The Bush administration has quietly done an about-face on allegations that New York Sen. Hillary Clinton broke campaign finance laws in 2000 - with the Justice Department preparing to extradite one-time Clinton fund-raiser Peter Paul to the U.S. as part of a plea deal for his testimony. The sudden action on Paul's case comes just weeks after reports surfaced that former Hollywood fund-raiser Aaron Tonken has supplied damaging testimony about Hillary Clinton's fund-raising practices.

"I'm a star witness against President and Mrs. Clinton," Tonken claimed in a recent report on his case in Vanity Fair magazine, explaining that prosecutors wanted his testimony about" "fundraising activities that I've done on behalf of the Clintons." The exact nature of Tonken's allegations against Sen. Clinton remains secret, the magazine said. But the celebrity moneyman is known to have been involved in the August 2000 fund raiser that is at the heart of Peter Paul's allegations.

The End of Hillary Clinton

Peter F. Paul, the flamboyant Hollywood entrepreneur who says Hillary Rodham Clinton has hidden almost $2 million of in-kind contributions he made to her campaign in 2000, is back from Brazil and promising to raise a ruckus about the New York senator as he fights bizarre securities and bank-fraud charges on which he's been indicted. Aaron Tonken, a political operative in Hollywood and a former protégé of Paul under indictment for a variety of alleged sharp deals with the rich and famous, also is promising to tell everything he knows about behind-the-scenes shenanigans of Clinton and many others.

Clintons' Fall Guy May Turn the Tables (Peter Paul)

Mr. Paul has substantial, documentary evidence detailing his close relationship with the Clintons and his funding of the Hollywood tribute, including cancelled checks, hand-written thank you notes from the Clintons, and photographs. Also named in the complaint is Clinton fundraiser David Rosen, Clinton friend James Levin, and Hollywood celebrity fundraiser Aaron Tonken, who currently is under criminal investigation for his role in other Hollywood fundraisers. As a result of Mr. Paul’s disclosures, federal authorities have launched an investigation into the Clintons and other matters. Mr. Paul, who is facing alleged (and related) stock and bank fraud charges, remains eager to cooperate with federal authorities.

Clinton Whistleblower Peter F. Paul Sues Bill and Hillary Clinton for Fraud, Conspiracy, Unjust Enrichment

Thank you for playing Ms. Clinton, we have some lovely parting gifts for you...these exquisite matching stainless steel bracelets and an all-expense paid trip to beautiful Danbury, Connecticut. Now...who will be our next contestant? COME ON DOWN!

[Note: For those that don't get it...Danbury is the Federal Penitentiary mentioned in all of the Martha Stewart articles]

47 posted on 05/07/2004 2:11:36 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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Dear 'ride the whirlwind':

BUMP !!!


52 posted on 05/07/2004 4:50:47 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes ("Benedict Arnold was also a hero....before he became a traitor.")
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"No less an authority than Dick Morris ..."

That's all I needed to know heavy duty tinfoil was required. Morriss has about as much knowledge as the kittycat he shares a name with. His whole reason for saying anything is based on his hatred for the Clintons and the hunger of a lot of conservatives to have their hatred feed. He is a shill of the worst kind & hasn't been right about anything for years.
55 posted on 05/07/2004 6:30:11 PM PDT by familyofman
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