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Tape of 9/11 Controllers Was Destroyed
AP ^ | 5/6/04 | Leslie Miller

Posted on 05/06/2004 10:47:48 PM PDT by tbeatty

A report by Transportation Department Inspector General Kenneth Mead said the manager for the New York-area air traffic control center asked the controllers to make the recordings a few hours after the crashes in belief they would be important for law enforcement.

Investigators never heard it. Sometime between December 2001 and February 2002, an unidentified Federal Aviation Administration (news - web sites) quality assurance manager crushed the cassette case in his hand, cut the tape into small pieces and threw them away in multiple trash cans, the report said.

"We were told that nobody ever listened to, transcribed or duplicated the tape," Mead said in the report sent to Sen. John McCain. The Arizona Republican asked the inspector general to look into how well the agency was cooperating with the independent panel investigating the attacks.

Neither manager told anyone outside the center — including their superiors and law enforcement officials — about the tape's existence, the report said. The Sept. 11 commission learned of the tape during interviews with New York air traffic control center personnel between September and October.

The destruction occurred even though the FAA sent a directive three days after the hijackings: "Retain and secure until further notice ALL Administrative/Operational data and records. ... If a question arises whether or not you should retain the data, RETAIN IT."

The quality assurance manager said he destroyed the tape because he felt it violated FAA policy calling for written statements from controllers who have handled a plane involved in an accident or other serious incident. He also said he felt the controllers were not in the right frame of mind to have consented to the taping, the report said.

The manager said he waited several months to destroy the tape because he promised the local controllers' union vice president that he would get rid of it once the control center's formal accident package was complete, the report said. That package was sent to FAA headquarters in November 2001.

The report did not characterize the tape's destruction as an attempted cover-up. But it said the recording could have helped provide a fuller explanation of what happened on Sept. 11.

"What those six controllers recounted in a group setting on Sept. 11, in their own voices, about what transpired that morning, are no longer available to assist any investigation or inform the public," the report said.

Mead said his office referred the case to federal prosecutors in New York, but they declined to prosecute because of lack of criminal intent.

FAA spokesman Greg Martin said the quality control manager was disciplined for violating the directive to keep everything relating to the hijackings and to turn them over to investigators. He said privacy considerations prevented him from disclosing how the manager was disciplined.

Martin said the FAA believes the tape is consistent with written statements and other materials provided to investigators. It "would not have added in any significant way to the information already provided to investigators and members of the 9-11 commission," Martin said.

The report said the controllers who made the tape had either talked to the hijacked planes that crashed into the World Trade Center or were working radar positions that intersected with the jetliners' flight paths.

The report concluded that there was "some measure of consistency" between witness statements later taken from the controllers and what was recorded on the tape. That conclusion was based on interviews with the six controllers and all 10 witnesses to the taping, and on sketchy notes taken during the tape recording. Also retained were radar data and recordings of radio transmissions from the cockpit.

John Carr, president of the air traffic controllers' union, said he did not know whether the manager did the right thing by destroying the tape.

"It was a traumatic time for him," he said. "He was the custodian for the darkest moment in our nation's history."



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 911; atc; faa; unions
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To: OldFriend
well I guess that You and I are just gonna have to disagree on this one because I don't see it that way.

and You personally secured ALL the Radar tapes yourself?
21 posted on 05/06/2004 11:44:59 PM PDT by ChefKeith (NASCAR...everything else is just a game!)
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To: tbeatty
Disagree with an FAA directive?
To hell with them! Destroy the evidence beyond repair.

Disagree with your State law against gay marriage?
To hell with them! Crank out as many queer marriages as you can - as fast as possible.

Don't like Federal drug laws?
To hell with them! Start passing out pot for medical use.

Sickening.
22 posted on 05/06/2004 11:47:50 PM PDT by Jaysun (I won't be happy until they put cream cheese in a spray can.)
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To: ChefKeith
Okay......tell me just what you think is being hidden.

What do you think the traffic controllers saw that they are not telling us?

23 posted on 05/06/2004 11:54:53 PM PDT by OldFriend (LOSERS quit when they are tired/WINNERS quit when they have won)
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To: OldFriend
Evidence of what?

This terrorist attack killed three thousand people and plunged us into war. Any and every scrap of information which might possibly shed light on the attack is important. Maybe the tape contained nothing useful, but it was not up to some a$$hole mid-level manager to decide that on his own, or to deliberately destroy the tape to prevent others from hearing it or analyzing it. That manager certainly knew the importance of 9/11, and he knew he was violating orders.

Ideally the person responsible for destroying the tape would now be serving about five years in prison. At the very least he should be fired and identified. He forfeited his "privacy" when he committed that act, and he deserves to be outed and crucified in the arena of public opinion. More importantly, other government employees need to learn that there are major consequences for committing such acts. This secret "discipline" (which for all we know might be nothing worse than a notation in his file) sends the opposite message.

One of the worst failings of the Bush Administration is that no one is ever held responsible for screwing up. No one is ever fired or ever blamed. That's lousy management. A top executive can't always be a nice guy. Bush has a management degree; he ought to know that. But he's obviously a better politician than he is a CEO.

24 posted on 05/07/2004 12:42:59 AM PDT by dpwiener
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To: tbeatty
The manager said he waited several months to destroy the tape because he promised the local controllers' union vice president

Oh, yeah?

That's very interesting. This guy was more "Scared" (is that it?) of some union thug than he was of destroying evidence in the worst act of terrorism ever committed within the U.S.???

That is VERY interesting... There is clearly more here than meets the eye. Imagine this - you've got a piece of evidence in your hand, which you *know* may be of considerable interest to law enforcement agents who are not to be trifled with on this issue - and you destroy it?

It wouldn't matter to *me*, WHAT I had promised some Union goon - even if I cared nothing for the security of the United States, I'd be *far* more worried about the consequences for my sorry ass of the FBI finding out I'd destroyed evidence like that, than I would be about violating a confidence with some union thug.

Unless, of course, there's something going on here that we don't know about...

25 posted on 05/07/2004 1:57:49 AM PDT by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
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To: OldFriend
If I had to guess, the tapes were destroyed because they revealed what NORAD was told by the flight controllers and when they were told it..
26 posted on 05/07/2004 12:07:26 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: AntiGuv
If I had to guess, the tapes were destroyed because they revealed what NORAD was told by the flight controllers and when they were told it..

manager crushed the cassette case in his hand, cut the tape into small pieces and threw them away in multiple trash cans, the report said.

Not like he just casually threw it away, huh? He sure went out of his way to TOTALLY destroy it. Makes you really wonder what was said on it to make him go that overboard. Something was said and recorded that they didn't want heard ever again.

27 posted on 05/07/2004 12:24:15 PM PDT by GaltMeister (I don't have a tagline. My family has it. The tagline belongs to my family.)
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To: tbeatty
Mead said his office referred the case to federal prosecutors in New York, but they declined to prosecute because of lack of criminal intent.

Dang! Martha Stewart should have thought of that defense!

28 posted on 05/07/2004 12:25:48 PM PDT by snopercod (I used to be disgusted. Then I became amused. Now I'm disgusted again.)
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To: dandi
I don't think you have to be a liberal OR wear a tinfoil hat to think there is something pretty fishy about this.
29 posted on 05/07/2004 12:43:49 PM PDT by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: Jaysun
The ironic thing is that without the totalitarian, unenforcable drug laws, we would not yet be at the point where all laws are considered optional by the Left.
30 posted on 05/07/2004 12:46:36 PM PDT by thoughtomator (yesterday Kabul, today Baghdad, tomorrow Damascus)
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To: tbeatty
WOW!
31 posted on 05/07/2004 7:55:29 PM PDT by ladyinred (Kerry has more flip flops than Waikiki Beach)
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To: tbeatty
A man who made a moral judgement. We need more of them.
32 posted on 05/07/2004 7:57:05 PM PDT by bvw
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To: OldFriend
Ditto.
33 posted on 05/07/2004 7:58:18 PM PDT by bvw
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To: tbeatty
The quality assurance manager said he destroyed the tape because he felt it violated FAA policy calling for written statements from controllers who have handled a plane involved in an accident or other serious incident. He also said he felt the controllers were not in the right frame of mind to have consented to the taping, the report said. is a fascist lib democrat.
34 posted on 05/07/2004 7:59:50 PM PDT by BSunday (I'm not the bad guy, kid)
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To: tbeatty
TRANSLATION!!!!!!!

The tapes referred to here were tapes of an interview with the controllers after 9/11. This is not a normal accident investigation procedure. This DOES NOT refer to the actual pilot/controller voice recordings during 9/11. All radar data and audio is saved for a minimum of 5 years unless there is some kind of litigation, which on this one will be a boatload!! The controllers are also required to fill out a written statement after the occurrence. This is also retain for the same time frame as the above mentioned. CASE CLOSED!!!!!!
35 posted on 05/07/2004 8:18:09 PM PDT by PushinTin
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