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To: primeval patriot
"Gutierrez said people from Mexico, Central and South America are not immigrating to the United States. They are simply migrating because this land had been theirs. Spain had held it, and before that it had belonged to the indigenous people."

Since most populations on the globe got where they now reside, by migration, this logic applies widely.

Using it, the Irish could claim Spain, and visa versa. The Celts, you know. Likewise, North American Indians could claim Japan, for it had been "theirs" at one time (according to physical anthropology, the Ainu, etc.)

And if we could figure who were the pre-Picts, everybody else would be cast from Britain, or be subjects of same.

The notion of some original "indigenous" folks having permanent and overriding claims is nonsense, of the highest order.

To say people of Mexico and central America have a claim on US soil is no different than the Japanese saying they have a claim on Chinese soil...."well, you see, we were there once, or passed through on our way from A to B = where we are now."
19 posted on 05/06/2004 10:55:47 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker
There is a huge disconnect here between these modern day conquistadores the hispanic shlepping 2 x 4...

There is a bucket load of opportunity to drive a wedge between the La Raza dreamers, the trench worker denizens who truly just want nothing more than an opportunity to bust butt and live a moral life...

I hope to hell we don't throw the baby out with the bath water...

Am I the only one who sees an opportunity here?
26 posted on 05/06/2004 11:40:01 PM PDT by antaresequity
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To: truth_seeker
Using it, the Irish could claim Spain, and visa versa. The Celts, you know. Likewise, North American Indians could claim Japan, for it had been "theirs" at one time (according to physical anthropology, the Ainu, etc.)

The Spaniards are descendents of the Celto-Iberans and Romans with Greek, Phoenician and Moorish blood all mixed in. The Irish are not at all related to Spanish lands.

Ainu are considered to be Caucasians, Indo-Europeans like Europeans, Indians and Persians, while Native Americans are Mongoloid like the Japanese, Mongolians etc.
36 posted on 05/07/2004 1:25:30 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: truth_seeker; yonif
The notion of some original "indigenous" folks having permanent and overriding claims is nonsense, of the highest order.

Not really. Israel has God given claims to their land including what is falsely called "occupied land"
37 posted on 05/07/2004 1:26:40 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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