Thank Allah for Little Girls

Seattle Catholic ^ | May 9, 2003 | by Jonathan Tuttle

[philosofy123]

To you and the rest who are indignant as to comparing male and female circumcisions as unfair: you need to ask yourselves if there is an outcry of males and its representatives in Hollywood as far as the brutality, and the barbaric tradition of male circumcision of boys! The answer is no. Since there is no outcry on the male side, then it must be ok for a few days old boy to have some body cut a piece of his sensitive part of his anatomy - just for the heck of it. There has been a report in the American Journal of Medicine about the loss of pleasure the circumcised male suffers versus the uncircumcised men. But hay, Oprah said circumcising women is barbaric, and Oprah don't give a sh*t about males circumcised or not - perhaps she is a lesbo! If their balls fall off because of cancer, it does not matter to Oprah, and her activist feminists stupid audience. When did you see the buddy system encouraged for guys? Hey Bob, you want to examine my balls for lumps? Or have guys demonstrate on TV how to examine their balls! Of course NEVER! In the case of women, it is a different story, we even show their boobs on the tube, and encourage them to get together and feel each other breasts! Guys don't count. I am not supporting the barbarian Moslem circumsising little girls, and I don't support our culture either for doing an unneeded mutilation on the little infent boys. To you the suffering of the little boys don't count, only the suffering of the little girls. I am a better person - since I don't approve of suffering to both genders.

[FeliciaCat]

Your rambling response proves that you dont have a CLUE as to what you are speaking about.

Be gone.

[Mixer]

Yeah, sure. You could amputate other parts of his body as they can get cancerous too.

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You make it seem as if it is the same as cutting off my child's ear so that I can save him/her from an ear infection. Not the case. However I would consider cutting off the bottom part of the ear lobe if someone told me it might save his/her hearing.

[A. Pole]

You make it seem as if it is the same as cutting off my child's ear so that I can save him/her from an ear infection. Not the case.

Actually it is the case. You save them from ear cancer. You cannot get cancer in the part of body which is removed.

[Darksheare]

Okers, so they're 'nice wording' the clitorectomy with PC speak as 'female circumcision' so that it doesn't sound as gross as it really is.
(Which is understandable, it's an outrage as it sits, but who'd truly read it to the end if it said clinically what happened?)

Yes, extremely barbaric.

[siunevada]

You stated many interesting points about the history of pagan beliefs from that region. And I've seen them before. I've always found it interesting that they maintained the Ka'ba. And that the Koran says the verses of the Koran were forced out of Mohammed.

Anyway. Back to the Catholic Church quotes.

What I am seeing them say is that Moslems are correct in as much as they recognize a Creator. The fact that they have completely misidentified Him and His nature is something not discussed in those quotes.

I don't see any acceptance of their beliefs beyond the very basics. Creator. Prayer. That much they have right.

[Rytwyng]

I wish you could explain how good you feel vs. someone that has been circumcised.

I've BEEN circumcised - as a baby, no choice in the matter. I can only go by secondhand information here. But all that secondhand info is consistent.

I wonder how many adult men have been circumcised. Enough to make a good study?

I don't know the numbers. The ones I've heard of, were converts to Judaism, so maybe someone more familiar with Judaism can provide that info.

[D Rider]

I don't see any acceptance of their beliefs beyond the very basics. Creator. Prayer. That much they have right.

Lumen Gentium Chapt II 16:

Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways.[18] There is, first, that people to which the covenants and promises were made, and from which Christ was born according to the flesh (cf. Rom. 9 :4-5): in view of the divine choice, they are a people most dear for the sake of the fathers, for the gifts of God are without repentance (cf. Rom. 11:29-29). But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Moslems: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.

Let me repeat: "...and together with us they adore the one, merciful God..." This statement is incorrect. They do not adore the merciful God Of Abraham. They worship Allah, the hater of all Gods people. The one that commands the murderof all Christians and Jews. This is clearly not the God of Abraham.

Clearly the ignorance of Islam is not covered by Rom. chapter 1, which clearly states that for worshipping the wrong God, there is no excuse.

[siunevada]

Mmmmm.

Well, I've seen the "moon god" theory disputed. Frankly, I haven't actually looked at the underlying evidence closely enough to accept one theory or the other.

I do know that Lebanese Christians say the word for God in their language is Allah.

Anyway, if Moslems knowingly worship a "moon god" then, yeah, the Catholic Church does not understand what they are doing and incorrectly characterizes the nature of their worship. If Moslems worship the God of Abraham, then they worship the only God that exists.

[D Rider]

Both Mohameds Father and Grandfather had Allah in thier names. Allah Existed before Mohamed. Research it. It is well documented, though Muslims will dipute it.

What was that symbol of Islam again?

[happygrl]

Shocking and heartbreaking.

[happygrl]

As compared to how women would live in a Biblical-law society

Nice try ignoramus.

The US is based on the culture and laws of the Bible. Woman's standing in this culture is the result of the honor given to woman in the Judeo-Christian faith.

[siunevada]

Well, I Googled for "Mohammed's father" and "Mohammed's grandfather" and didn't find anything like Allah in their names. But that was just a quick peek at a few Web pages.

I'm less concerned about what Moslems believe than what the Catholic Church thinks they believe - which led to the document statements you posted. And my original quibble about the article posted and the lack of footnotes or quotes for the "many Catholics" statement.

I'm outta here for the weekend! Good posts, D Rider!

[D Rider]

It was actually Mo's uncle not Grandfather -sorry. The majority of the web is filled with Islamic sites on those topics. add Archeology or something like that to your search, otherwise you'll never get past all the Islamic BS.

Over the centuries there has been a tension between the true Catholic Faith and the Catholic Church as a political power center. Some popes (and the cardinal that put them there) have been men of God, some have been very evil men, philanderers and even murderers. So as you can imagine, that bad doctrine during periods of "other agenda" takes time to fix. But there always remain those faithful, though sometimes they have been killed for it.

Because of this, I choose to separate faith from church, and compare teachings of the Church with scripture. Of course, this same thing got more than one Catholic Bishop, Priest and Monk burned at the stake. But when the Church contradicts scripture, who are we to believe? man or God?

[antiRepublicrat]

The US is based on the culture and laws of the Bible. Woman's standing in this culture is the result of the honor given to woman in the Judeo-Christian faith.

So you support women being subservient, not allowed to teach, not allowed to wear gold jewelry and not being allowed to braid their hair. That is biblical law, but it is very unamerican. If you're talking biblical law in general, do you support stoning of disobedient children?

[Made In The USA]

It's a sick, evil, bloodthirsty cult.

It's important that we read about these horrors so that at least SOME of us in this country understand what we are dealing with.

[happygrl]

What you refer to as Biblical Law, was not Law at all.

It was custom, something subject to change. Even at the time of the New Testament, it was purely voluntary, not forced, unlike what is being propounded in Islam. There is no choosing by thse women in Afghanistan or saudi Arabia.

What the Islamists want imposed is Sharia. They have made no secret of their desire to bring the West under their heel and imposed it everywhere.

Where is a similar call for what you erroneously call Bibilical Law to be imposed ? Your analysis merely serves to delineate the difference between Christianity and Islam, in that Christianity is a faith of freedom of conscience, not forced conversion and forced adherence to their Sharia laws, as is Islam.

[antiRepublicrat]

It was custom, something subject to change.

That's what you say. With a simple reading of the Bible, those prohibitions sound a lot like law to me. What, are you allowed to pick and choose now? Do you cover your head and not speak in church? Out of style now, huh? Okay, I think the 10 Commandments were custom and not law, so let's do away with obeying those too.

There is no choosing by thse women in Afghanistan or saudi Arabia.

Interestingly, this is exactly what you described between custom and law. Women covering themselves is considered by many Muslims to be custom, plus the fact that a woman cannot be forced by anyone to wear it -- punishment for not wearing is done by Allah after she dies. You are talking about male-dominated misogynistic implementations, kind of like what Christianity had back when organized religion was in power.

Your analysis merely serves to delineate the difference between Christianity and Islam, in that Christianity is a faith of freedom of conscience, not forced conversion and forced adherence to their Sharia laws, as is Islam.

That freedom for the average woman has existed only since organized Christianity lost its political power over the people through the governments it controlled. I don't believe you would enjoy your status under law and custom 500 years ago. The problem isn't that Islam is suppressing these women, as that will happen with any theocracy dominated by men.

[petercooper]

Isn't Yasser a known pedophiliac?

[Francisco]

Yes