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Former CIA Official: U.S. May Fall Like USSR
News Max ^ | May. 5, 2004 | Phil Brennan

Posted on 05/05/2004 3:50:32 PM PDT by yonif

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1 posted on 05/05/2004 3:50:32 PM PDT by yonif
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To: yonif
U.S. May Fall Like USSR

Someone's off his meds..

2 posted on 05/05/2004 3:55:42 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: yonif
Only if John Kerry is elected.
3 posted on 05/05/2004 3:57:56 PM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: AntiGuv
Ya think? Some call it "imperial over reach."
4 posted on 05/05/2004 3:59:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: yonif
The legendary Pat Buchanan has been saying this for years. This CIA fella is behind the times.
5 posted on 05/05/2004 4:02:26 PM PDT by ServesURight
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To: yonif
Now, let's compare and contrast this Q&A from Victor Davis Hanson's website :

Q: When does civil war happen? Can it be caused by a failure of deterrence? Our country is becoming extremely polarized, could a civil war be in our future?

Hanson: Anything is possible, but there are still more ties than fault lines—popular culture, common allegiance to certain values of fair play and meritocracy, a general ease and familiarity in American culture. I was worried at the time of Clinton’s disgrace that some tried to destroy rather than discredit him, and now we see that same excess in the attacks against Bush that transcend politics and reveal a visceral hatred. But certainly, there are two divergent views of what this country should be—whether it is committed to liberty and an equality of opportunity or more to egalitarianism and a government-mandated equality of results.

The balance of ties vs. faultlines no longer applies, I think. That's why I believe that a very ugly civil war is unavoidable. I'll take it one step further and suggest that not only is it inevitable, but that it is also necessary. Consider, for a moment, the nature of the enemies - foreign and domestic - of civilization. They're not going away. They aren't amenable to reason, facts or logic. What they seek is not merely control over the economic details of your life, but they also seek dominion over your innermost thoughts and feelings. They don't just want your stuff - they want your soul as well. And they expect you to applaud them for it.

That's enough to tell you that this next war is one that we must absolutely fight to win. No negotiation, no compromise, no neutral ground.

6 posted on 05/05/2004 4:03:05 PM PDT by Noumenon (There's nothing wrong with the Left that can't be cured with a rope, a knife or a .45)
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To: AntiGuv
What kind of meds do you think he should be taking?
7 posted on 05/05/2004 4:04:14 PM PDT by nygoose
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To: yonif
We have long ago passed the point at which we could be saved.
8 posted on 05/05/2004 4:04:37 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (See ya in the camps.)
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To: yonif
Say what you will - the man makes valid and chilling points.


9 posted on 05/05/2004 4:05:30 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: yonif
Sounds like this fellow is making some good points.
Anyone read his book, it sounds interesting?
10 posted on 05/05/2004 4:07:18 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: AntiGuv
"U.S. May Fall Like USSR"


"Someone's off his meds.."

Actually had algore won/stole that election of 2000 there is no telling where we would be today. With JFKerry calling for us to turn our security over to the UN...

Liberals are on the fast track to "destroy" our Constitution through whatever means necessary. You really ought to check out what 'history' lessons are being taught regarding this nation.


11 posted on 05/05/2004 4:07:56 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: AntiGuv
He's saying that our educational system has undermined our sense of the value of Western civilization, making us vulnerable to subversion from within and attack from without. If you think he's off his meds, you haven't been paying close attention to what the Islamists are saying and how far advanced their agenda already is in Europe.
12 posted on 05/05/2004 4:10:36 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Noumenon
The US has the military capability to annihilate any "clasical" enemy. Will our nuke subs and missiles make any difference in this new kind of war? If we wiped Mecca and Medina and all capital cities of the Islamic world off the map would that win the war?
13 posted on 05/05/2004 4:10:37 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: nygoose
This guy needs meds that keeps him from hallucinating.
14 posted on 05/05/2004 4:11:07 PM PDT by AngieGOP
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To: yonif
With Ft. Bragg, Kennedy space center, Camp Lejune, Kings Bay sub pens, Norfolk Naval base and a host of AF bases, the South should do much better this time around.
15 posted on 05/05/2004 4:13:16 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Fitzcarraldo
If we wiped Mecca and Medina and all capital cities of the Islamic world off the map would that win the war?

They have to pray towards the Ka'aba five times a day. Kind of hard to do that when the Ka'aba's been turned into a thousand-mile plume of radioactive soot... (c8

16 posted on 05/05/2004 4:13:24 PM PDT by Poohbah (Darkdrake Lives!)
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To: AngieGOP
I think he's only covered 10% of what could happen.
17 posted on 05/05/2004 4:13:40 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: yonif
I agree with Mayer.
I have heard that at one time Bin laden was a mercenary employed by the US ( I have no sources for this but I have heard it many times) to drain the USSR of resources and lose the will to fight thus eclipsing into the end of the "cold war".
Some claim the Afghanistan/soviet conflict contributed greatly to the downfall of the USSR.
If this is true could Bin Laden now be a mercenary hired by unknowns to do the same to the USA ?
This is just one factor. Another is the "Cultural War" angle. Micheal Savage ( I love that nut case he thinks like me, all over the map) details basically the same premise he details in his book " The Enemy Within ".
Much of this is evident even in how for a week now the media is all over this prisoner abuse scandal, yet the torture of our men in Falluja got maybe two days , the story about the failed terror attempt in Turkey, 0 days, the mass graves in Iraq a blip.
18 posted on 05/05/2004 4:14:19 PM PDT by Freesofar (vicariously micromanaging reality from the safety of my keyboard,)
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To: Rebelbase
Hey! Give us right thinking Northerners time to come join you before you start shooting!
19 posted on 05/05/2004 4:14:59 PM PDT by RightthinkinAmerican (You can have my gun when I'm done shooting your cold, dead body with it.)
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To: AntiGuv
All nations eventually fall.
20 posted on 05/05/2004 4:15:21 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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