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Linux is not open source, says Microsoft
Tech World ^ | 05 May 2004 | Rodney Gedda

Posted on 05/05/2004 12:02:03 PM PDT by ShadowAce

Microsoft's Australian MD Steve Vamos has revealed the latest line in its battle against Linux: Linux, it seems, is not open source.

As the concept of open-source takes hold, not only with fanatical individuals but with governments across the world who like the idea of a freely accessible source code, Microsoft is attempting to drive a wedge between the idea of open source and the reality of Linux.

Stressing that Linux is "not free", Vamos said open source is a development methodology that should not be confused with the commercial nature of Linux distributions.

"Open source is not [solely] Linux," Vamos said. "That's probably a little bit out there in the sense that Linux has been developed using open source development models. I guess what I'm saying is that when you talk about open source - the way open source is being described - is that people generally talk about it as being Linux and I think you really need to look at the two separately."

Vamos said Linux has a place, and that "it is already doing some good work for customers" but separates it from open source because "the open source debate tends to be one that's about philosophy and views". And then he gets to the punch: "When you talk about Linux versus Windows, you're talking about which operating system is the best value for money and fit for purpose. That's a very basic decision customers can make if they have the information available to them."

If it's a case of two operating systems face-to-face, Microsoft would win hands down, since it is the undisputed master of the dark arts of promotion and publicity. But this pesky philosophical difference is giving Linux a leg-up and the software giant now appears determined to break one free of the other.

He went on: "There's a good quote from Red Hat that says, 'yes we are based on open source, but that doesn't mean it's free'. Quite frankly if we lose to Linux because our customers say it's better value for money, tough luck for us. Those that provide open source, like the Red Hats, need to provide commercial services and extensions. They'll need to invest and that's a commercial activity."

And on: "The choice between open source and commercial is really about selecting products and technology that is the best value for money and best suits the purposes."

And on: "For those of you engrossed in the decision about is it open source or is it commercial software, I'd probably respectfully suggest that you're spending a lot of time on issue number four or five in the pecking order."

And on: "I get disturbed when people say open source is the way to go, because it's more secure. It's food for thought that security advisories for Linux and Unix-based operating systems were greater during 2003 than those for Windows and also Linux vulnerabilities are growing faster than Microsoft vulnerabilities."

Of course, all of this could be laughed off if it wasn't for the fact that he actually has a good point. Last week, Red Hat announced that it would no longer support Red Hat Linux 9. Instead, it is directing all users to its Red Hat Enterprise Linux Platform.

And what's the difference between the two? Why, one is free and the other isn't. Guess which is which. Red Hat also announced yesterday that it is producing a desktop version that it will aim directly at enterprise customers - a move that it knows full well puts it directly in the way of Microsoft.

Only time will tell whether Red Hat's growing confidence has caused it to face up to Microsoft too soon, but one thing is for certain - by appearing to cut ties with the open source movement, it has given Microsoft a new and potentially ruinous line of attack.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Technical
KEYWORDS: linux; microsoft; opensource
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...except there are several ways to get RHEL without a cash outlay. Several web sites, including cAos, have ISO images of that particular system.

Open Source is exactly that--open. What Red Hat can provide, others can too. What you pay for with Red Hat is extremely competant engineers and support staff.

1 posted on 05/05/2004 12:02:04 PM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: rdb3; Dominic Harr; Bush2000; Golden Eagle
Tech Ping
2 posted on 05/05/2004 12:02:54 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
...and what, pray tell, would Microsoft know about what consitutes open source......absolutely nada.....
3 posted on 05/05/2004 12:03:51 PM PDT by Ashamed Canadian
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To: ShadowAce
As the concept of open-source takes hold, not only with fanatical individuals

Now class, can anyone point out an example of journalistic bias in this statement?

Anyone?

4 posted on 05/05/2004 12:04:55 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: ShadowAce
Microsoft is patenting every minor aspect of Longhorn that they can, to try to prevent interoperability with Linux.
5 posted on 05/05/2004 12:10:53 PM PDT by B Knotts (Just another medieval Catholic)
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To: ShadowAce
One important difference is that when you buy a copy of RHL, you BUY it. You OWN it. You can copy it as you like (except for the Red Hat logos, etc. and their internally developed training documentation) and redistribute it.
6 posted on 05/05/2004 12:18:53 PM PDT by Charlotte Corday
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To: ShadowAce
I'd comment on this, but I'm busy recompiling my Win2K kernel after making a few tweaks... ;-)
7 posted on 05/05/2004 12:25:00 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: ShadowAce
Linux is not open source, says Microsoft

Small problem: Microsoft did not say that. What [Microsoft's Australian MD -- Marketing Director?] said was:

Open source is not [solely] Linux. [text in brackets added by author of article]

It's a logical fallacy to derive that B is not A, if B is a subset of A. And, it is a true blunder to use that fallacy as the title of the article.

Or, it's an editorial masquerading as news.

8 posted on 05/05/2004 12:28:29 PM PDT by justlurking
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As the concept of open-source takes hold, not only with fanatical individuals

Now class, can anyone point out an example of journalistic bias in this statement?

Perhaps they're trying to point out that there is no such thing as a Windows fanatic.

9 posted on 05/05/2004 12:29:24 PM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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Uh -- it's "open source" because it's source code is "open" to viewing by anyone, free of charge -- isn't that what "open source" means? Like 'Java' is open source, even tho Sun 'owns' the rights to it.

What am I missing here?

Can MS really expect this to not make them look scared?

10 posted on 05/05/2004 12:30:42 PM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: justlurking
"Or, it's an editorial masquerading as news."

I didn't know there was any other these days :-)
11 posted on 05/05/2004 12:32:24 PM PDT by mpreston
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To: Dominic Harr
It depends on what the meaning of "open" is.
12 posted on 05/05/2004 12:33:47 PM PDT by steve-b
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To: Billthedrill
I'd comment on this, but I'm busy recompiling my Win2K kernel after making a few tweaks... ;-)

LOL

Microsoft is the very soul of hubris.

13 posted on 05/05/2004 12:34:16 PM PDT by Petronski (Hubris knows no editor.)
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To: Dominic Harr
Perhaps Team Astroturf will stop in and explain todays talking points for us.

LOL

15 posted on 05/05/2004 12:35:19 PM PDT by Petronski (Hubris knows no editor.)
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It depends on what the meaning of "open" is.

Open-source's biggest advantage seems to be that closed-source shops just don't even understand what open-source means.

He seems to think you can't have 'for-profit' open-source software. His whole point seems to be based on a mistake.

Man, this makes MS sound scared.

16 posted on 05/05/2004 12:35:56 PM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: ShadowAce
Is this M$ guy a democrat? Sure sounds like one.

Avoid facts and smear.

As I'm sure many before me have already posted - linux is FREE - certain packagers (Red Hat, Suse, etc...) are allowed to charge a fee for packaging and support, but you can get everything for free.... of course you need to be an extreme geek to know what all you need, where to find it and how to put it together - but thats the "fun" part!!
17 posted on 05/05/2004 12:36:10 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (A vote for JF'nK is a vote for Peace in our Time!)
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...of course you need to be an extreme geek to know what all you need, where to find it and how to put it together - but thats the "fun" part!!

A less-extreme geek can legally buy a copy of SUSE on ebay for the cost of media and shipping (about ten bucks).

18 posted on 05/05/2004 12:38:17 PM PDT by Petronski (Hubris knows no editor.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
of course you need to be an extreme geek to know what all you need, where to find it and how to put it together

You only need one URL to find and download the major distributions:

http://www.distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major

19 posted on 05/05/2004 12:45:50 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: ShadowAce
The Halloween Documents Annotated By Eric Raymond

http://www.opensource.org/halloween/
20 posted on 05/05/2004 12:47:14 PM PDT by society-by-contract
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