[AFPhys]

That's why the President went on Arab TV... to undo the harm (and there was great harm done) that those soldiers did.

I have to take a minor exception to this statement. I am NOT certain that there WAS GREAT HARM done here.

Potentially, if the president, and the military, are able to take this and show the world just how we differ in the way we handle such abuses by our citizens, this could even turn into a public relations coup. Very, very tough, but I am not despairing that this can not be accomplished.

As a former officer, and squadron exec, I witnessed military crimes and trials. We are pretty efficient and just when we encounter any abusive behavior by our military personnel, in my experience. This prison abuse is clearly counter to behavior we expect from prison personnel, and it will be punished - I suspect that punishment will be a tad more harsh than would otherwise be the case due to the publicity - but I don't think that is unwarranted.

There is nothing written in stone yet here. We may really be in a Romans 8:28 situation if America handles this the right way. And, by the way, I think the outrage from all American quarters is an appropriate step for the best result to come to fruition.

[carton253]

Well, I agree with everything you said except I think there was great harm done. Now only in the Arab world, but here at home too.

[Miss Marple]

I am still mystified at the behavior and the pictures. I mean, how high an IQ do you need to say to yourself, "stacking up nude prisoners and taking their pictures is not a good idea?"

And on top of that the women posing with them! I bet their parents are so proud.

The whole thing is an embarassment and should be dealt with as quickly as possible. I think the president did the right thing.