What Part of "Isolated Incident" Do You Not Understand?

Ramblings' Journal ^ | 5.4.04 | Michael King

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[nuconvert]

"that this was an isolated incident"

No, it's sounding like it wasn't.

[scott7278]

Wonderful article, sir.

[wingman1]

bump

[steve86]

Whether we conclude this was an isolated incident or not doesn't matter; it is only the Arab perception that matters, unfortunately.

[epigone73]

Arab perceptions don't mean a damn. They hate us, they've always hated us, and they will always hate us.

Trust me, we could turn Mecca into an open-air hog-farm without significantly increasing their rage against us.

not a bad idea; give us something to do while we wait for the end.

[Dave S]

The radicalists are trying their damnedest to not only try to paint this isolated incident as standard operating procedure for our military, but to insist that this is how we treat prisioners in this country, too.

Isolated incidents, huh? Already two known homocides and 23 other mysterious deaths that are being investigated by the Pentagon. Does it need to get into the hundreds before its no longer isolated. One soldier has already been convicted for killing an Iraqi prisoner.

[arjay]

Excellent article. Thanks for posting it.

[Reactionary]

"Whether we conclude this was an isolated incident or not doesn't matter; it is only the Arab perception that matters, unfortunately."

Oh. "Arab perception." Is that the same "perception" that makes us all into Infidels worthy of being shot on sight? Is it the same "perception" that views Jews as pigs and monkeys?

I thought so.

[dsc]

"Isolated incidents, huh? Already two known homocides and 23 other mysterious deaths that are being investigated by the Pentagon. Does it need to get into the hundreds before its no longer isolated. One soldier has already been convicted for killing an Iraqi prisoner."

Sources for that?

[TheDon]

I had a completely different take on the naked prisoners. I was looking to see if they had missing limbs, wounds, burn marks, cuts, bruising, and the like. Seeing none, I was wondering what the fuss was all about. At least for the prisoners pictured, they seemed in remarkably good condition. They also seemed well fed.

[Arkinsaw]

This doesn't have anything to do with how they act. It has to do with how we act.

[mhking]

Already two known homocides and 23 other mysterious deaths that are being investigated by the Pentagon. Does it need to get into the hundreds before its no longer isolated. One soldier has already been convicted for killing an Iraqi prisoner.

1/10th of 1 percent of the 135,000 soldiers usually quoted is 14 or so people.

So, yes, logically, 25 "mysterious" deaths is still "isolated."

[hole_n_one]

I trust that you're prepared for the definition of the term "isolated" to be readily elastic and manipulative in it's future use.

[TheDon]

Not sure that it does. It's the governments of Arab countries that control the perceptions of the Arabs. It is simply a matter of how they will propagandize this incident for their own purposes.

[mhking]

I trust that you're prepared for the definition of the term "isolated" to be readily elastic and manipulative in it's future use.

Indeed. It's already been manipulated in the past, much like statistics are. [shrug] It was bound to happen.

[steve86]

we could turn Mecca into an open-air hog-farm without significantly increasing their rage against us.

There are lots of moderate Arabs whose cooperation will be adversely affected by this. Or maybe I should say there were moderate Arabs.

[epigone73]

Moderate Arabs, in my experience, tend to be secularists, Druze, Christians, and otherwise non-existent. They're like dissenting Catholics: one hears a lot about them, but they're not representative.

And let us say there are moderate Arabs. if there weren't any, how could we tell?

[mark502inf]

23 other mysterious deaths

That's the number of total deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq out of the hundreds of thousands of prisoners taken by Americans since both wars began. As heard on the news tonight, three are homicides and twelve are natural deaths. Looks like the prisoners probably have a better life expectancy in the custody of Americans than when left on their own.