Posted on 05/04/2004 11:47:19 AM PDT by ChuckShick
Insurgents attack Baghdad prison with mortars, killing 22
By Louis Meixler ASSOCIATED PRESS 9:18 a.m. April 20, 2004
BAGHDAD, Iraq – Insurgents fired 12 mortars into Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison Tuesday, killing 22 detainees and injuring 92, U.S. military officials said.
To the west in Fallujah, meanwhile, Iraqi security forces and civilians who fled days of street fighting with Marines began to return Tuesday in a critical test of an agreement between U. S. officials and local leaders to fend off an all-out assault by American forces.
All of those killed or injured in the mortar attack on the U.S.-run prison were security detainees, said Col. Jill Morgenthaler, meaning they were held for suspected involvement in the anti-U.S. insurgency or remnants of Saddam Hussein's ousted Baathist regime.
Twenty-five of the prisoners were flown by helicopter for emergency medical treatment, Morgenthaler said. There were no reports that any of the casualties were prominent members of Saddam's regime.
"This isn't the first time that we have seen this kind of attack. We don't know if they are trying to inspire an uprising or a prison break," Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt told Associated Press Radio.
It was the heaviest mortar barrage against the prison. Insurgents regularly fire on soldiers around the site – an American soldier was killed there two months ago – but shells have landed in the prison before. Six security prisoners were killed by a mortar attack in August.
A U.S. military-run radio station urged Fallujah residents to hand over heavy weapons – including machine guns, grenade launchers and missiles – to Iraqi security forces or at the mayor's office.
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At least that's what we're all supposed to be telling ourselves. Why? Because if we really buy that line of baloney, we'll leave, and Islamofascists will get to take over Iraq. Which is precisely why they push that and related lines of baloney: for power grabs.
I ain't buying. (Same goes for "don't attack a 'holy' city", "don't stand on 'holy' land", "don't fight during a 'holy' month", etc. It's all a bunch of baloney.)
Your mind obviously functions on a much higher plane than the mind of the media. Like black on black violence, Iraqi on Iraqi violence simply isn't newsworthy.
Irrelevant. We hold our armed forces to a very high standard of conduct. These "soldiers" did not meet that standard.
Saying "well, HE did (such and such)" is not a defense.
You miss the point. The original poster is not offering a defense for the actions at the prison. Rather, the poster is indicting the "blame America firsters" by revealing their hypocrisy in crying crocodile tears over supposed American violations of prisoner rights while ignoring much more serious violations (such as killing) of prisoner rights when the perpetrators were not Americans.
Let's face it folks, our American news media will publish any of these photos, with a minimum of pixilation, but they wouldn't show pictures of people jumping out of the WTC. We've lost the media war with Iraq. Either bomb the living f*** out of the place (we've got a billion Muslims to kill, we have to get started sometime), or just bring our troops home until after the election, and then send the bombs over.
The "blame America firsters" are irrelevant to this issue. I expect the Iraqi and jihadist insurgents to act as uncivilized barbarians. Complaining about it is like complaining about a dog peeing on fire hydrants--the dog isn't committing vandalism, he's being a dog.
I expect a hell of a lot better from our soldiers, serving under our flag, than this crap.
That's no excuse for not expressing outrage for it.
Essentially what you're saying is that since they disregard the Geneva Convention, it's perfectly fine for them to continue to do so with impunity simply b/c they choose to ignore it!
Barbara Streisand!!!
Quite frankly, I've heard tales of more disgusting stuff coming out of a place called "The Vault" in NYC on a nightly basis! Go in there if you dare and tell me it's much different and no one's dying in there!
This is not an example of "torture" such as the media is making it out to be. It's a simple case of mistreatment of prisoners outside the tenets of international war law(s).
No one's life was threatened for real. If the media showed a FRACTION of what Muslims consider "justice" and "perfectly fine behavior" in the interests of their "peaceful" religion, then the world would be in justifiable horror!!
HORROR!!!
Islam as a religion should scare every who isn't muslim into ultimate action. Instead, we have an anesthetized enviroment here only bent on shaming the U.S. whenever opportunities arise!
The mainstream media should be shamed and openly. Frankly, if conservatives behaved like libs, the CBS, ABC, and NBC HQs would have been razed long ago.
The Geneva Convention is irrelevant to this discussion.
The terrorists are evildoers; you simply hunt them down and kill them. Demanding that they hew to a much higher standard of conduct does you no good and wastes time better spent on more constructive pursuits (such as killing terrorists).
Those soldiers who violated orders on handling prisoners have broken faith with America and their fellow soldiers. These folks need to be hammered--and hammered HARD--lest the virus of indiscipline spread throughout American forces in Iraq.
Like I said, I don't expect much from trash. I do expect much more from our own.
It's a crime, it's been dealt with extremely clearly, yet, the same media is all over it not satisfied with what normal war crimes remedies require happen!
Perhaps you can go find all the examples of where muslims, militant or not, in Iraq or not, have been openly chided by other muslims, let alone prosecuted within the system of Islam for violating the same international war laws with burnings of people alive, hanging dead or near dead bodies, dragging them through the streets, beheading them while they're alive gagging and gurgling with the blood running into their throats as the dagger severs their windpipe and bloodlines!
SOUND GOOD?! That's ISLAM!! Now go find some sites, papers, nations, muslims openly detesting that type of stuff.
Good luck! Off you go!
[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah
[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
[4.95] The holders back from among the believers, not having any injury, and those who strive hard in Allah's way with their property and their persons are not equal
[4.144] O you who believe! do not take the unbelievers for friends rather than the believers; do you desire that you should give to Allah a manifest proof against yourselves?
[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[9.11] But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith
So much for religious freedom, eh!!
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
[9.33] He it is Who sent His Apostle with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions, though the polytheists may be averse.
[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
Interesting how if allowed to permeate our nation these very own tenets from the Quran would destroy this country and turn it into a hell hole! Literally, a "hell hole!"
Every single one of those is straight from the first ten chapters of the Quran!
HELLO AMERICA!!!
"Peace Loving"....I don't think so!!
Where is the outrate from NOW and all the liberal groups on this mistreatment of women?
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