Posted on 05/04/2004 4:18:13 AM PDT by scripter
You have me at a disadvantage here, or perhaps you're confusing me with somebody else, or perhaps I'm just too darn busy to remember, but I'm not that familiar with your posts.
Did you receive an answer to your "gut" question from your liberal acquaintance?
No Problem. The phrase "scripter's database" is forever etched in my memory. I've posted vehemently on retaining the current definition of marriage as the union of one man and one woman. However, when it comes to homosexuality itself, I decline to condemn it, morally or any other way, and have waxed vehement on that score. Many more times than once I was invited, by yourself and others, to peruse "scripter's database" so that I might be enlightened as to homosexuality's disease, choice, and proselytization aspects. Rather than undertake that daunting project, I was inclined to demur from those particular debates.
Did you receive an answer to your "gut" question from your liberal acquaintance?
Not really, but I like to think it sunk in somewhat that the intuitive expectation would be that having one parent of each gender is advantageous.
Good point, bump to the top for wide reading.
Here on FReeper, seminar disruptors like to post what I call "onion links" to some statement or other that "proves" or at least "documents" their position. That statement on inspection turns out to be a passage from a position paper or public testimony quoting someone else in passing; and the someone else turns out to have been writing a book about something else in which she quotes two other people opining in a public forum about someone or something more or less germane to the topic, but not in a peer-reviewed medium or in any venue where the speakers' statements would be subject to examination and questioning. In one case, the person quoted as an eyewitness to someone else's professionalism, or lack of it, is dead -- and the statement is criticism which it is important to know more about, whether the speaker was making a truly dispassionate, measured professional evaluation, a political statement, or a professional "hit" in furtherance of a political agenda. In any case, the statement could not be evaluated -- which is the whole idea of an "onion quote".
Our friends scripter and EdReform probably recall and are familiar with the situation in question, in which a seminar poster, madg, put up a link to an "article" on a site operated by Poppy Dixon, a Christian-bashing lesbian ex-fundie, who quoted testimony given in an Australian pornography hearing, in which the person giving testimony quoted in extenso a book by libertarian authoress Avedon Carol, who in turn was quoting sexologists Robert Figlio and the late Loretta Haroian on the early work of Judith Reisman.
Good point, bump to the top for wide reading.
Here on FReeper, seminar disruptors like to post what I call "onion links" to some statement or other that "proves" or at least "documents" their position. That statement on inspection turns out to be a passage from a position paper or public testimony quoting someone else in passing; and the someone else turns out to have been writing a book about something else in which she quotes two other people opining in a public forum about someone or something more or less germane to the topic, but not in a peer-reviewed medium or in any venue where the speakers' statements would be subject to examination and questioning. In one case, the person quoted as an eyewitness to someone else's professionalism, or lack of it, is dead -- and the statement is criticism which it is important to know more about, whether the speaker was making a truly dispassionate, measured professional evaluation, a political statement, or a professional "hit" in furtherance of a political agenda. In any case, the statement could not be evaluated -- which is the whole idea of an "onion quote".
Our friends scripter and EdReform probably recall and are familiar with the situation in question, in which a seminar poster, madg, put up a link to an "article" on a site operated by Poppy Dixon, a Christian-bashing lesbian ex-fundie, who quoted testimony given in an Australian pornography hearing, in which the person giving testimony quoted in extenso a book by libertarian authoress Avedon Carol, who in turn was quoting sexologists Robert Figlio and the late Loretta Haroian on the early work of Judith Reisman.
"Onion links/onion quotes" -- thanks for two powerful concepts. I got the explanation of how phony advocacy "studies" work from Sandra Stotsky, in her painstakingly researched book, Losing Our Language: How Multicultural Classroom Instruction is Undermining Our Children's Ability to Read, Write, and Reason. Perhaps I should call phony advocacy studies "onion scholarship."
To really mess with your mind I'd like to get the phrase in a Chinese cookie you open next week!
It does appear we agree on the issue of keeping the traditional meaning of marriage intact, but the rest of it, indeed, we disagree.
I can imagine reading scripter's database (sorry, couldnt' help it) is a daunting task. Although it may appear that way, it is never my intention to overwhelm someone with information.
Because I saw an overwhelming amount of interesting information on homosexuality, I created the database as a place to collect and refer to better help folks discuss the issues. Similar to why FreeRepublic was created, the database was created to rollback decades of misinformation on homosexuality. It's not meant to be a balanced, it's meant to present the truth. Sure, some articles are biased but many are not and we have the major media outlets to compete against.
I'm glad to see we have at least one thing in common.
No way madg didn't come into that thread to seriously screw with people.
Not only do children do better with a mother and a father, but they do better with mentally healthy parents.
People are born heterosexual. They are born either male or female. Those who find themselves leaning toward a different sexuality (nature never offers homosexuality, it offers asexuslity) or toward a different gender, than they are born with, are mentally ill. The correct answer for them is treatment.
I recognize that there are many mental illnesses. It might become very difficult to determine that people with such mental illnesses may no longer get married. But homosexual mariage isn't about denying people a privelege they currently have, it's about granting people a privelege they have never had before through the centuries of recorded history. Before we make such a radical change, we should be absolutely sure it is the right thing to do.
There is no such assurance with homosexual marriage.
Shalom.
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