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Same-sex marriage: Good for gays, bad for children
WorldNetDail ^ | May 4, 2004 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 05/04/2004 4:18:13 AM PDT by scripter

Of all the arguments against same-sex marriage, the most immediately compelling is that it hurts children. If children have a right to anything, it is to begin life with a mother and father. Death, divorce, abandonment, a single-parent's mistakes – any one of these deprives children of a mother or father. But only same-sex marriage would legally ensure children are deprived from birth of either a mother or a father.

Why, then, doesn't a child's right to begin life with a mother and father have any impact on the millions of people who either advocate same-sex marriage or can't make up their minds on the issue?

Among gay activists, the reason is narcissism. Though gays already have the right to raise children without an opposite-sex parent, and the right to adopt children, gay activists want society to enshrine one-sex parenting with its highest seal of approval – marriage. For gay activists, the fact that a child does best with a good mother and good father is of no significance (or worse, denied). All that matters is what is good for gays.

And what about the heterosexuals who support same-sex marriage? They ignore the issue of its effects on children because they either do not want to confront the issue or because they are so intimidated by the liberation trinity – "equality," "rights" and "tolerance" – that even children's welfare becomes a non-issue.

Advocates of same-sex marriage have, therefore, many good reasons not to talk about issue of children. Even the most passionate advocate does not argue that it is better for a child to have two mothers and no father or two fathers and no mother.

But, the same-sex marriage advocates will respond, while children may not be better off, they will be just as well off, with two fathers and no mother or two mothers and no father.

This claim, however, is dishonest. So dishonest that it leads to a certain cognitive dissonance among many of those who make it. On the one hand, they don't really believe mothers (or fathers) are useless, and they do not wish to lie. On the other hand, they know they have to say a mother and father are no better for children than two same-sex parents or they will lose the public's support for same-sex marriage.

Were they to admit the obvious truth – that same-sex marriage means society will legally and deliberately deprive increasing numbers of children of either a mother or a father – few Americans would support the legal redefinition of marriage and family.

So, same-sex marriage advocates now argue that children do not do better with a mother and a father.

To buttress this absurdity, they repeatedly ask, "Where are the studies" that prove children do better with a father and a mother? Not only are there no such studies, they claim, but in fact, "studies show" that children raised with parents of the same sex do just as well as children raised by a father and a mother.

But this claim, too, is dishonest.

As Professor Don Browning of the University of Chicago recently wrote in the New York Times, "We know next to nothing" about the effects of same-sex parenting on children."

"The body of sociological knowledge about same-sex parenting," he and his co-author wrote, "is scant at best. ... There are no rigorous, large-scale studies on the effect of same-sex marriage on the couples' children."

"Steven Nock, a leading scholar of marriage at the University of Virginia, wrote in March 2001 after a thorough review that every study on this question 'contained at least one fatal flaw' and 'not a single one was conducted according to generally accepted standards of scientific research.'"

So the statement that "studies show" that children don't do better with a mother and father is as factually mendacious as it is morally repugnant. Why then are so many fooled by it? Because "studies show" has become the refuge of those who do not wish to think. I hear this lack of thought regularly from college-educated callers to my radio show who refuse to think an issue through, or to make a moral judgment, without first having seen what "studies show."

But does anyone who thinks, rather than awaits "studies" to affirm their biases, really believe a mother is useless if a child has two fathers, or a father is unnecessary if a child has two mothers? The idea that men and women do not have entirely distinctive contributions to make to the rearing of a child is so absurd that it is frightening that many well-educated – and only the well-educated – people believe it.

There are many powerful arguments against same-sex marriage, and in subsequent columns I will offer them. But if you have to offer only one, know that those who push for same-sex marriage base their case on something factually indefensible – that children do not benefit from having a father and a mother; and on something morally indefensible – ignoring what is best for children.


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1 posted on 05/04/2004 4:18:14 AM PDT by scripter
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Pinging for little jeremiah who is out of town.
2 posted on 05/04/2004 4:19:18 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
Because "studies show" has become the refuge of those who do not wish to think.

Excellent quote.

3 posted on 05/04/2004 4:26:04 AM PDT by JoshGray
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To: scripter
There are many powerful arguments against same-sex marriage, and in subsequent columns I will offer them. But if you have to offer only one, know that those who push for same-sex marriage base their case on something factually indefensible – that children do not benefit from having a father and a mother; and on something morally indefensible – ignoring what is best for children.

But not just children in homosesxual marriages, but those outside homosexual marriage as well - they will be affected as collateral damage.

4 posted on 05/04/2004 4:26:17 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: GATOR NAVY
There are many powerful arguments against same-sex marriage, and in subsequent columns I will offer them.

Perhaps he'll write a column on same-sex marriage and the military...

5 posted on 05/04/2004 4:36:49 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't many homosexual men and women come from broken families? If so, what better way to confirm that their upbringing was "normal". Isn't that their main objective? They want the world to agree with them that they are normal - to include that it is normal to not have a mother or a father.
6 posted on 05/04/2004 4:52:55 AM PDT by no more apples (God Bless our troops)
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To: scripter
If Sweden's example is to be taken as a trend, then there is an even more permicious effect on children when gay marriage is legally sanctioned. Since Sweden sanctioned gay marriage, the incidence of children born out of wedlock has skyrocketed. So rather than having any kind of legal parenting arrangement, children have none.
7 posted on 05/04/2004 4:53:51 AM PDT by randita
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To: scripter
The fact that this article even has to be published shows how far common sense been eroded in this country
8 posted on 05/04/2004 5:01:58 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: scripter
This article is an important discussion on the effects of children who would be raised by the 'gay' parents.

What I have not seen written yet is the effect that legally approved same sex union will have on ALL children.

As soon as the 'gay' lobby gets the 'equal' recognition of their unions, all school books will have to be rewritten so that small children will not be taught 'stereotypes' such as a mommy and a daddy in a story about a 'family.'

Hate speech will include any words of preference for heterosexual marriage.

In another 10 years, little children will be as supportive of 'gay' unions as they are today of 'green' issues.

The human being develops in stages from infancy to adulthood. Along the way, besides learning to walk and talk, children pass through attachment to parents, attachment to peers, and finally attachment to a life partner.

I weep at the thought of elementary school age children, (who today are being bombarded with adult sexual images), being forced to accept the concept of same-sex adult partnerships as appropriate, while the children are in their same-sex peer group years.

Many will not ever make a healthy transition to life as part of a heterosexual couple.

Not good for society at all, or as they used to say "not good for children and other living things."
9 posted on 05/04/2004 5:21:46 AM PDT by maica (Member of Republican Attack Machine, RAM, previously known as the VRWC)
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To: scripter
Seems like over the past thirty years, the idea of child-rearing and marriage have been "disconnected" - by no-fault divorce, widespread, stigma-free single parenting, etc. Homosexual marriage seems to be another step, although a very large one, down this path.

Marriage is and has been an institution that provides public recognition, financial benefits, and a stable structure for mothers and fathers raising their children. All things being equal, children do best with their biological parents, or with a mother and a father being present and taking care of them. I only skimmed the posted article, but I agree that recent developments - including the advocacy of homosexual marriage - result from a shift of emphasis from the well-being of children to the "self-actualization" (or whatever) of the adults seeking endorsement, and financial subsidy (through tax breaks, insurance benefits, etc. reserved for married couples) of their lifestyles.
10 posted on 05/04/2004 5:31:25 AM PDT by cvq3842
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What I have not seen written yet is the effect that legally approved same sex union will have on ALL children.


The American Child After Same-Sex Marriage

What "Gay" Marriage Will Mean for our Children


( For future reference, you can find these and many more links and documentation in scripter's "Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Revision 1.1)" )

11 posted on 05/04/2004 5:50:35 AM PDT by EdReform
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Hi script & Ed, a good morning BUMP to you both!!
12 posted on 05/04/2004 6:18:24 AM PDT by GrandMoM (Whatever you ask for in prayer, having FAITH & Really BELIEVING, you WILL receive- matthew 21:22)
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Good Morning!
13 posted on 05/04/2004 6:23:35 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: scripter
If same-sex marriage becomes the norm, adoption, too, will be turned over.

Adoption agencies would no longer have a clear choice between a traditional and a gay married couple in choosing parents. Everything will be "equal" in the eyes of the law.
14 posted on 05/04/2004 6:36:20 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: maica

In another 10 years, little children will be as supportive of 'gay' unions as they are today of 'green' issues.


The homosexual propaganda machine is working on it:

An excerpt from "Same-Sex Marriage for Kids"

"The debate over homosexual marriage has gone on loudly in this nation for a while now, and the Leftists in the establishment media, specifically those in the newspaper industry, have made their biases known to the world -- from the front page to the editorial page. But yesterday the Washington Post declared a new frontline in this cultural battle -- KidsPost.

KidsPost, as you might be able to discern from the title, is the page in the Washington Post dedicated to news for kids, providing issues of the day written in a way that they will understand. For example, today's KidsPost covers March Madness, Tuesday's KidsPost looked at what's going on at the National Zoo in D.C., and Monday's KidsPost was about children in Indonesia going to school.

What was Wednesday's KidsPost about? Gay marriage. The page contained two articles on the subject by Fern Shen: "Defining Marriage" and "What's Best for Kids?"

... So, since liberals like those at the Post can't get most adult Americans on their side by presenting some sort of reasoned debate, they are going after their kids. If only they can get the kids to buy into it..."

15 posted on 05/04/2004 6:44:57 AM PDT by EdReform
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INTREP - SODOMY
16 posted on 05/04/2004 6:53:16 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: EdReform
Thanks very much for the links. It is important that we inform our friends, family, etc of the consequences on the future of our country of this 'gay' agenda. It is so much more devastating, than 'gay' neighbors "not affecting 'my' marriage," as so many people say.

17 posted on 05/04/2004 7:56:25 AM PDT by maica (Member of Republican Attack Machine, RAM, previously known as the VRWC)
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To: scripter; JoshGray
That "studies show" line comes, I believe, from leftwing professors, who simply lie. The "studies" turn out to be advocacy pieces which also merely claim that "studies show" in an infinite regress of propaganda advocacy pieces, with no factual basis. However, I also heard a similar line from a cold warrior prof around 1980. Profs love to lie about scholarship with the same passion with which lawyers love to lie about the law.

And what about the heterosexuals who support same-sex marriage? They ignore the issue of its effects on children because they either do not want to confront the issue or because they are so intimidated by the liberation trinity – "equality," "rights" and "tolerance" – that even children's welfare becomes a non-issue.

This is my only disagreement with Prager, who has turned into a real warrior of late. Many, if not most heterosexuals who support same-sex marriage are lefties who do so as a package deal. They are politically allied with homosexuals as they are with blacks, and so rubber stamp ANY demand either group makes.

18 posted on 05/04/2004 11:31:17 AM PDT by mrustow
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19 posted on 05/04/2004 1:19:44 PM PDT by EdReform
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Bump. Happy to have something to agree with scripter about.

I was discussing with a liberal very close to me. I said one mother and one father is best for a child. She said what's important for the child is love. I said OK, but still we need for most children to have optimal upbringing. She said she didn't know what studies show about two same-sex parents (italics mine). I asked, "What does your gut tell you?"

20 posted on 05/04/2004 1:40:21 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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