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Gorelick's Stonewall - Newly released memos contradict her 9/11 Commission assertions ~ WSJ.
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| May 3,2004
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Posted on 05/02/2004 9:23:49 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: nopardons
Not really. The president wanted Kissinger to run things/be the commission's chairman.That got scotched pretty quickly by the Dems.For none other than a "CONFLICT OF INTEREST".
Maybe Jamie needs to read her own work...
Jamie S. Gorelick, Recognizing Conflicts of Interest, 36 Prac. Law. 71 (1990).
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posted on
05/02/2004 10:15:54 PM PDT
by
kcvl
To: rogueleader
Sigh!
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posted on
05/02/2004 10:16:22 PM PDT
by
ScaniaBoy
(Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
To: ScaniaBoy
I think I remember about mr. Kissinger ---the ink wasn't even dry yet on the list when the Democrats jumped with about 50 objections to his possible conflict of interests--which I had heard HE was already aware of--so...
what happened to the REPUBLICAN WATCHERS who are suppose to be LOOKING at these things??
I look and see that if George Bush farts--there are a 100 cameras there and a million objections by the left--
so HOW did Gorelick get a FREE BUS RIDE by being ALLOWED to be put on the panel-
Where were the "Watchers" who should have been looking to see that this was happening is all I ask.
I'm sorry--too much Monday Morning Quarter-backing--but seems to happen a LOT the past years!!
Am I just losing Faith the the Republican party isn't as Pro-active as it use to be??
I may only be just finishing High School--but at least sometimes I feel that I GET MORE INVOLVED in trying to know what's going on!! And I have homework every night--I don't spend my nights in 100$ a plate dinners on tax payers expense!!--when my Republicans reps should be the ones on the ball.
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posted on
05/02/2004 10:17:51 PM PDT
by
AirBorn
To: rogueleader
You aren't "one of my own".t least you have yet to PROVE that you belong here.
To: kcvl
Yes and HELL YES!
As usual,you are correct on all accounts.
To: ScaniaBoy
This is totally unrelated to Jamie Gorelick, but speaking of testimony has anyone heard whether Monsoor Ijaz is testifying before the 9/11 Commission on 5/6; and if so, has there been enough pressure to make the testimony public?
Thanks!
To: Elle Bee
We've never expected much from this CommissionHaha! Expecting anything was expecting too much.
The whole charade has been utterly worthless. Expensive, in fact.
To: AirBorn
I think you meant that reply for
nopardons.
No matter. I agree fully with you.
Kissinger acted very honourably. He said that he did not want to disclose the names of his clients, and therefore he would have to disengage himself from his business interests. That would take at least 6 months, and therefore he resigned.
...and then Ms Gorelick sits on the Commission!!!
...and YES you are right! One may well ask what did the GOP do when they let her on? Postprandial ($100 meals) fatigue?
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posted on
05/02/2004 10:24:07 PM PDT
by
ScaniaBoy
(Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
To: whoever
Questions for CONDI...
When the White House finally released the text of that August 6 Presidential Daily Briefing, we finally saw what Bush was told about the ongoing threat from al Qaeda. And we learned more about a serious problema problem that doesnt seem to abate. We learned more about the endless dissembling of Condoleeza Rice.
What was Bush told about al Qaeda? Before we can see how Rice dissembled before the 9/11 commission, we need to know what was in Bushs briefing. With that in mind, here are the final five paragraphs of the 11-paragraph memo:
PRESIDENTIAL BRIEFING, 8/6/01: (pgh 7) Al Qaeda membersincluding some who are U.S. citizenshave resided in or traveled to the U.S. for years, and the group apparently maintains a support structure that could aid attacks
.
(8) A clandestine source said in 1998 that a bin Laden cell in New York was recruiting Muslim-American youth for attacks.
(9) We have not been able to corroborate some of the more sensational threat reporting, such as that from a [REDACTED] service in 1998 saying that bin Laden wanted to hijack a U.S. aircraft to gain the release of Blind Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and other U.S.-held extremists.
(10) Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.
(11) The FBI is conducting approximately 70 full field investigations throughout the U.S. that it considers bin Laden-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our embassy in the UAE in May saying that a group of bin Laden supporters was in the US planning attacks with explosives.
As the White House has noted, nothing in the briefing referred to the use of airplanes as weapons. Nor did the briefing specifically describe what would happen on September 11. No silver bullet was provided--no specific description of the 9/11 plan. The CIA didnt know about the plan, and didnt describe it for Bush.
But the CIA actually DID say several things about ongoing al Qaeda operations. According to the briefing, al Qaeda members had resided in the U.S. for years. Al Qaeda apparently maintained a support structure that could aid [domestic] attacks. And since 1998, FBI information had indicated patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings. According to the briefing, the FBI was conducting seventy full-field investigations in the US that were bin Laden-related.
When Rice appeared before the 9/11 commission she was asked about this briefingand thats when the trouble began.
To cite one example, commissioner Richard Ben-Veniste devoted the bulk of his time to questions about this PDB. Some of his questions were very straightforward, and should have been quite easy to answer. But these questions did not produce straightforward answers. In fact, Rices answers to these questions were notably evasive. Some of them bordered on lies.
Just how easy were the questions? About halfway through his session with Rice, Ben-Veniste asked this:
BEN-VENISTE: I am asking you whether it is not the case that you learned in the PDB memo of August 6th that the FBI was saying that it had information suggesting
that preparations were being made consistent with hijackings within the United States.
Geeze Louise! For a brilliant academic like Rice, that should have been very simple! Just how easy was that question? Why, Ben-Veniste had restated language straight from the briefing itself! Lets recall the text of the PDB, then compare it to his question:
PRESIDENTIAL BRIEFING, 8/6/01: FBI information since [1998] indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.
Now, lets again recall Ben-Venistes question:
"I am asking you whether it is not the case that you learned in the PDB memo of August 6th that the FBI was saying that it had information suggesting
that preparations were being made consistent with hijackings within the United States.
"Did the PDB suggest that 'preparations were being made consistent with hijackings within the United States?'
How easy could Ben-Veniste have made it? His language was straight from the PDB. The answer was simple. It was YES.
But Rice didnt say yes to this question; instead, she did all she could to avoid the simple truth. Under oath, she kept avoiding the truth. And our transparently liberal press has no plan to say so.
Why in God's name?
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posted on
05/02/2004 10:25:00 PM PDT
by
aikido7
(aikido7)
To: not2worry
Not heard anything about Ijaz's testimony.
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posted on
05/02/2004 10:26:01 PM PDT
by
ScaniaBoy
(Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
To: rogueleader
LOL!!!
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posted on
05/02/2004 10:27:34 PM PDT
by
Lancey Howard
(Ooops.... You anal about LOL, too?)
To: rogueleader
Newbies who post whiney messages make me automatically skip anything else they say.
sigh...
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posted on
05/02/2004 10:28:08 PM PDT
by
DefCon
To: ScaniaBoy
Thank you folks the links of 9/11!
and the article--That is why I like coming here--not only do I get the BEST Pics to bring into the class the next day--but all this info that is right there for me!!
Thanks again!
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posted on
05/02/2004 10:28:35 PM PDT
by
AirBorn
To: rogueleader
Let us not fall into the same hellish pit. Let us not stoop so low as to use the sigh when making arguments. Another thing to watch out for are pompous, condescending, overbearing, tedious passive-voice arguments beginning with didactic structures like, "Let us not..."
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posted on
05/02/2004 10:33:09 PM PDT
by
Don Joe
(We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
To: rogueleader
Actually, the sigh is not their arguement vis-a-vis the Gorelick memo, which follows, but an expression of their frustration with Bush's New Tone refusal to back up his own people.
A lot of us are sighing.
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posted on
05/02/2004 10:37:02 PM PDT
by
Jeff Chandler
(Why the long face, John?)
To: rogueleader
Let us not fall into the same hellish pit. Let us not stoop so low as to use the sigh when making arguments. No, the "sigh" is NOT the argument. The "sigh" is the editorial comment on the argument.
In this case it was intended as a well deserved insult to the commission and its associated idiocy.
As in, "Sigh... What a bunch of losers." (I couldn't resist.)
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posted on
05/02/2004 10:38:00 PM PDT
by
EternalHope
(Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
To: aikido7
I'm afraid that you are being terribly naive if don't understand (as Condi clearly did) that the Commission hearings featuring Miss Rice were strictly for partisan grandstanding and political ad soundbites. Read your own post!
BEN-VENISTE: I am asking you whether it is not the case that you learned in the PDB memo of August 6th that the FBI was saying that it had information suggesting
that preparations were being made consistent with hijackings within the United States.
For example, WHY do you suppose Ben-Veniste asked that question?
What new information was he expecting to get that he did not already know?
To: AirBorn
I may only be just finishing High SchoolYou have a bright future ahead of you.
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posted on
05/02/2004 10:39:57 PM PDT
by
Jeff Chandler
(Why the long face, John?)
To: ScaniaBoy
What remains is the very important question why she penned the memo at that time? That question Ms Gorelick should have to answer under oath. ISTM that there's always the possiblity that "the wall" was crucial to protecting some "FOB" who would have been in a world of hurt if not for its protection. Of course, given Slick's nature, any protection extened to a "FOB" would likely have been done for the underlying goal of protecting Slick himself.
I wonder if his pal Marc Rich was up to his elbows in more than "oil for food"?
Of course, it might not be something like that. It might be something even worse. :)
Seriously, though, what do we know? It looks like "the wall" was maintained at all costs by the Clinton Regime. Presumably, if this is the case, it wasn't for no reason. And I can't bring myself to think that the reason was altruistic, i.e., "in the national interest", for two reasons. One, on face value, it seems counter to the national interest, and two, if there was a good reason to maintain it at all costs, surely someone would know what the reason was!
So, that IMO brings us back to Clinton, with the question being what was he using "the wall" to protect?
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posted on
05/02/2004 10:40:38 PM PDT
by
Don Joe
(We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
To: AirBorn
I think that you meant that reply for me.
And since you're what,16,17,18 (?),you don't really have that broad an experience level to judge whether or not the GOPers were more active in the past.They weren't.
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