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U.S.-backed Iraqi general enters Fallujah to cheering crowds
LA Times via Detnews ^ | Saturday, May 1, 2004 | By Tony Perry and Patrick J. McDonnell

Posted on 04/30/2004 11:53:37 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

FALLUJAH, Iraq -- Iraqi troops led by one of Saddam Hussein’s former generals began replacing Marines here Friday as a plan to end a monthlong siege of this battle-torn city gained momentum.

Former Iraqi Gen. Jassim Mohammed Saleh, dressed in the uniform of Saddam’s Republican guard, entered Fallujah to cheering crowds, triggering a debate in the United States on whether securing the defiant city with an Iraqi force was a masterstroke or a concession that could undermine U.S. control of the country.

“I am very happy to be here, you are truly a friend,” Saleh, hand-picked to head the new Iraqi force, told Marine Col. John Toolan during a meeting here. “I look forward to cooperating with the Marines.”

The decision to have an Iraqi force patrol Fallujah appeared to be part of an evolving U.S. strategy to end two volatile standoffs -- with Sunni Muslim insurgents here, and with Shiite Muslim militants in the holy city of Najaf in southern Iraq.

U.S. occupation authorities have recently made efforts to reach out to the nation’s Sunni minority and to former members of Saddam’s Baath Party -- two groups marginalized in post-Saddam Iraq.

As the deadline for handing over sovereignty to Iraqis nears, U.S. officials appear to be adopting a more flexible strategy in Iraq -- one that attempts to co-opt enemies of the U.S-led occupation. The hard-line strategy of U.S. administrator L. Paul Bremer III, who abolished the Iraqi Army and outlawed Saddam’s Baath party, have been tempered as a relentless insurgency feeding on dissatisfaction with the United States threatens efforts to rebuild Iraq.

The Bush administration’s decision to ask the United Nations for help in crafting a plan for a new Iraqi government underscores how U.S. policy in Iraq has been drastically changed. But clerics and others representing the nation’s Shiite majority -- long repressed by Saddam -- are expressing alarm about what some view as Washington’s newfound desire to appease Saddam’s loyalists.....< snip>

......The imam, Sheik Jamal Shaker Nazzal, was said to have returned to his mosque in Fallujah for Friday prayers. Army troops arrested the imam last year on charges of inciting violence against the coalition and sheltering a Yemeni citizen whom the Army described as an al-Qaida operative.

U.S. officials are still seeking the round-up of Falloujh’s insurgents and their heavy weapons. U.S. officials are also demanding the arrest of those responsible for the March 31 killings of four U.S. contractors, whose bodies were mutilated. The men who attacked the Fallujah police station in February and left at least 17 dead are also on the U.S. wanted list.

Marines heaped praise on the Iraqi officers who came forward and helped broker the Fallujah deal.

“This has always been a matter of leadership,” said Col. Toolan, commander of the 1st Marine Regiment. “Finally we’ve got somebody standing up.” .......

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fallujah; iraq; jassimsaleh; marines; wot
“This has always been a matter of leadership,” said Col. Toolan, commander of the 1st Marine Regiment. “Finally we’ve got somebody standing up.”

The Col. seems optimistic. A lot is riding on what happens in Fallujah. I hope they are right.

1 posted on 04/30/2004 11:53:42 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
This is a bold move. Whether this tactic works or not I respect them for trying it.

The men of the Republican Guard were not to a man tainted by pro-Saddam sentiment, though their favored position within the military while the regime still lived may arguably make them suspect. If they can reduce our apparent footprint within Iraq and restore order while staying clear of politics, they're worth a shot.

2 posted on 04/30/2004 11:58:13 PM PDT by American Soldier
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To: American Soldier
It might work. This General is one of them and is more acceptable in their eyes. Also Fallujahans know the Republican Guard can get very rough if crossed, so can Marines and I think the General has enough experience to be
aware of this.
3 posted on 05/01/2004 12:14:32 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
they should have done this to begin with...but the neocons said to dismantle the armies
4 posted on 05/01/2004 12:30:27 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl
A lot of people have said that. In the beginning when Saddam and the other high cards were still at large it would have been dangerous. The loyalty and fear of the soldiers would lend itself to subversion.

At the same time, putting a lot of trained guys out of work had the same result. The situation is like Germany after the war. At some point it is necessary to bring some of the outs back in.

5 posted on 05/01/2004 12:41:04 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
well, I guess there was a reason certain parts were ruled with an iron fist.

now, I saw the video of this dude rolling into Fallujah, and his sidekick looked like Saddams double.....I had to look twice!
6 posted on 05/01/2004 12:54:12 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl
"well, I guess there was a reason certain parts were ruled with an iron fist. "

That may be what they need and will get.

7 posted on 05/01/2004 12:56:31 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Hey, the Iraqis have to start taking responsibility for what goes on in their country if they are ever to govern themselves again some day...so why not now?!

Let this Iraqi general show a little leadership in Fallujah...if he pulls it off then Iraq will be well on its way toward governing itself.

And that is what we want, rather than babysitting them for the next hundred years, right?!

8 posted on 05/01/2004 1:00:26 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Anti-Bubba182; All
I am amazed and pleasantly suprised at the replies on this thread. Not one naysayer in any of the posts I read. From other threads, I mostly read how terrible a decision "pulling out" is, and how we will end up paying for it later. I am taking a wait-and-see attitude.

As an aside, I wonder how the release of the Iraqi prisoner torture photos fits in to this decision, if at all. Maybe our siege of Fallujah plus evidence of POW torture would have tipped the scales against us, and therefore may have been a factor in this action. Comments?
9 posted on 05/01/2004 1:01:00 AM PDT by Blowtorch
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To: Blowtorch
"I am amazed and pleasantly suprised at the replies on this thread. Not one naysayer in any of the posts I read. From other threads, I mostly read how terrible a decision "pulling out" is, and how we will end up paying for it later."

One reason is that we have more information. When it was first reported the impression was given that the Marines were pulling out and the city was to be given over to the new Iraqi Army and this at a time when the Marines were well on their way toward crushing the resistance.

The actual fact is that the Marines are still in the area and the Iraqi forces that are being put there are lead by a man from an organization known for its ruthlessness leading a group that might actually fight if necessary.

That said it could still be a disaster, but as another poster observed, we can't babysit these people forever.

10 posted on 05/01/2004 1:19:57 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
My guess is that 50 percent of Fallujah really is tired of the Muslim nimwits who have caused the unrest in town. This Republican Guard unit is going to spend the next seven days...hunting down the trouble-makers...and basically shooting them at night. We will hear lots of negative comments from CNN...but the killing and violence in Fallujah will stop very shortly...or else.
11 posted on 05/01/2004 1:25:52 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice
I doubt very much if there will be a shooting at night. The guerillas are going to face a hostile environment if they try to cause trouble. People do not kill their own, if their own are in charge. There will be a nutcase or two that will try it as they would in any society, but they will be taken care of. I keep comparing the present environment in Iraq similar to the blue helmets occupying our country.

People do not like foreign troops occupying their country. We harken back to WW II and there was occupation but there was almost total resentment of our occupation until sovereignty was reclaimed. Many Germans told me that they liked the American soldier but resented the occupation that caused the soldier to be there. I expect the situation to improve in Iraq if the locals start to take charge of their own concerns.

Security and living standards were responsibilities that we were foolish to take. In Germany, when a problem arose, we told the German to go fix it. This encouraged a sense of leadership to develope in the native population and saved us the trouble and responsibility for it. In Iraq, we have tried to apply the nanny-state standards that we have imposed in our country with the same results. A genuine screw-up with the government getting blamed for the problem.

12 posted on 05/01/2004 2:32:57 AM PDT by meenie
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To: Anti-Bubba182
One can look at the British strategy during its "empire" days for an idea of how this works. The British, say, in India, formed regiments of Hindus, Muslims, and Sikhs, all commanded and separated by Br. officers and NCOs, then separated by regiments of regulars. They performed pretty well---not all the time, but they distinguished themselves in WW I and in Africa. The trick was, if there was a problem in the Muslim areas, they theatened to send in the Sikhs or Hindu regiments, and vice versa.

Now, our goal here is not colonization or even occupation, but STABILITY long enough to root out the AQ baddies and to elimnate terror footholds. But there may be some of the brit strategy at work.

13 posted on 05/01/2004 4:29:12 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: BurbankKarl
Well, just as in Nazi Germany there was a debate about the best way to do this. We have adopted a policy much like we did with Germany: dismantle; totally vet; and then bring back some of the less-tainted guys. For ex., in Germ., the Nazi Luftwaffe leader right under Goering was brought back to head the new air force. I'm sure Rommel, had he lived, would have been given a spot in the reconstituted German army. On the other hand, you don't want guys who were genuine "true believers" in there.
14 posted on 05/01/2004 4:31:20 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: pepsionice
The numbers I'm getting from e-mails routed through Marines over there is that in this city of 250,000, about 3/4 is pretty peaceful and under control. The baddies are in 1/4 of the city.
15 posted on 05/01/2004 4:32:35 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Good analysis of the situation here
16 posted on 05/01/2004 4:48:54 AM PDT by PogySailor (Proud member of the RAM)
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