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Court Martial in Iraq (CBS to broadcast images of US troops mistreating Iraqis...)
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Posted on 04/28/2004 8:28:36 PM PDT by sonsofliberty2000

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To: sonsofliberty2000
Idiots!
81 posted on 04/30/2004 1:12:08 PM PDT by PsyOp (I’ts better to trust in courage than luck. – Syrus, Maxims.)
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To: FairOpinion
Do you want the interrogators to do EVERYTHING to get info fast, which may safe the lives of dozens or hundreds of US servicement, or do you want to worry about the rights of the terrorists and the hell with our servicemen?

With all due respect, building human pyramids, writing slurs on their bare skin, and posing them in mock sexual acts have nothing to do with getting information in a timely manner.

If it were just a case of sticking a gun in guys mouth to get life-saving info that is needed "RIGHT F'n NOW", then they'd have my blessing.

This is a case of sheer stupidity, and this kind of humiliating treatment tends to make prisoners clam-up rather than open-up. They defeated their own purpose and handed the enemy a propaganda victory they never could have achieved on their own.

If they did what they are accused of, they need to be punished, hard. I say that as a former Army officer. And whoever was their immediate supervisor needs to get the ax, too.

82 posted on 04/30/2004 1:19:57 PM PDT by PsyOp (I’ts better to trust in courage than luck. – Syrus, Maxims.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Actually, it isn't - otherwise the US would have attacked Saudi Arabia.
Iraq actually had nothing to do with 9/11.
83 posted on 04/30/2004 4:33:50 PM PDT by aubergine
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To: aubergine
Iraq actually had nothing to do with 9/11.

And you know that because....? Welcome to Free Republic.

84 posted on 04/30/2004 4:36:41 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: JeanS
I don't know a lot, for sure. I just read the press:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0314/p02s01-woiq.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13607-2004Mar21.html

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/09/16/cheney_link_of_iraq_911_challenged/

I presume these are correct, and that there were other reasons for going after Iraq, despite public perception that it was 9/11. The general war on terror, for instance.
85 posted on 04/30/2004 4:46:39 PM PDT by aubergine
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To: PsyOp
If they did what they are accused of, they need to be punished, hard. I say that as a former Army officer. And whoever was their immediate supervisor needs to get the ax, too.

Here's where it seems to get muddy. Who were the "interrogators"? It sounds as if they were contractors. I've read similar information in the Brit press--that the interrogators were contractors from two different U.S. companies hired by the Pentagon.

Since I know that our U.S. military knows well the rules and regs of the Geneva Convention, I'm really wondering about these contractors and what influence they may have had on this atrocity and the soldiers who committed it.

86 posted on 04/30/2004 5:03:32 PM PDT by huck von finn
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To: aubergine
I compleely disagree.

My point was, that "it" is all about the WOT and our national security, and our self-defense repsonse to terrorism is completely warranted, whether this leads us to Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Iran, or wherever the terrorists are doing business -- a perspective that the Democrat Party and the sychophant media has chosen to completely ignore in this election year, after having chosen to almost completely ignore it the previous year.

My point was that the media has been remiss in failing to remind (and thus unite) the public against the threat to our national security posed by Islamist terrorism, as it has done in every threat to our security in the past (with the exception of the Viet Nam War).

And so, I add, that GW has been LEADING our best and bravest in the fight against our enemies, first in Afghanistan and then in Iraq. I will not at this time task your sensibilities with the likelihood of other operations in Iran, Syria, etc. Suffice to say, a high school student could explain that Iraq was likely to attack the USA with WMD's (under development and manufacture in Iraq) through proxy agents such as al queda.

IMO, you seem to have adopted the leftist, anti-Bush, simplistic message: since we have found no WMD or link to al-queda, then there were none. This is frankly absurd. AND, I might add, there is actually plenty of evidence that Iraq WAS linked to al-queda (Salman Pak, etc.). This will likely come out in the next 6+ months. Are you suggesting that because YOU are not aware of such evidence that it does not exist?

Even though it is likely that GW has taken action based upon evidence that has not yet been made public, often, action has to be taken based upon strong probability, in lieu of "evidence". Iraq had to be dealt with following Afghanistan. Next will follow Syria and Iran. Then others, as necessary. This isn't an episode of JAG.

87 posted on 04/30/2004 6:43:25 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Any day you wake up is a good day.)
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To: mylsfromhome; AgentEcho; Dolphy; gawd
Even worse, they've discovered the English doing the same thing!
88 posted on 04/30/2004 7:32:58 PM PDT by potlatch ( Medals do not make a man. Morals do.)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
What I don't understand is how 5 soldiers and 2 NCO's had time to do all this, while guarding 900 prisoners. And no commissioned officers involved, although the story leads with an unnamed General.

Perhaps somebody with practical experience in this could explain it.

89 posted on 04/30/2004 7:41:37 PM PDT by White Eagle
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To: freebilly
I guess I tend to get over excited about stuff like this. I had a few books on the first gulf war-one of them concerned a British SAS team that was shown no mercy, they were beaten, made to appear on T.V. and denied basic human rights such as food and an adequet toilet. Now they like to burn the corpses and defile them in every way imaginable. I think its past time to get medieval on them.It really is the only thing they understand.
91 posted on 04/30/2004 8:58:02 PM PDT by zygoat
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To: aubergine
I would have liked to hit Saudi Arabia first also, but Iraq was certainly on the list.Every one of these countries are our enemy, from Pakistan (I wish I knew what President Bush said that got them in line) to the Muslims in the Kosovo conflict. I try to wonder what it is like to be a native of one of those places.I know they have some people in high tech jobs, but most of them seem to sell fruit or just hang out in mud huts with chicom AK-47's. I know I'm stereotyping them but we live in a much more powerful country, and tolerate slander against our God without killing each other.For the most part.
92 posted on 04/30/2004 9:14:46 PM PDT by zygoat
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To: sonsofliberty2000
If we're going to prosecute this (and we should), can we PLEASE finally HANG that treasonous son-of-a-bitch who tossed a grenade into his CO's tent and opened fire on the survivors with his M-16 as they fled?
93 posted on 04/30/2004 9:23:01 PM PDT by Objective Reality
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To: zygoat; aubergine
I would have liked to hit Saudi Arabia first also...

Agreed. SA is the well-spring of course. But we have to be pragmatic about this. For example, after stomping the living crap out of the Afghanistani and Iraqi terro-sponsors, certain "leaders", such as Khadafy of Libya and Assad of Syria have "gotten some old fashioned religion". In time, other hold-outs can be likewise confronted. Time is, IMO, on OUR side, insofar as whack-job regimes is concerned. Time is NOT on our side when it comes to the nationless terrorists.

This is why the terrorist-supporting nations must be dispatched asap (as GW has been doing). Too bad the madcap Leftists cannot see that they are equivalent targets as are we (conservatives). But then again, the Leftists are inherently ignorant, pusilanimous, and foolish.

94 posted on 04/30/2004 9:32:54 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Any day you wake up is a good day.)
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To: DannyTN
You don't want to know. One thing for sure, morons like him and that female creature are subject to the UCMJ of the most honorable Army in the history of the world, and cannot hide behind corrections/police officers' unions, "voluntary" confessions, etc. etc. No "big-city beat downs" will be tolerated, and the're going to find that out in spades.
95 posted on 04/30/2004 9:35:39 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: huck von finn
Since I know that our U.S. military knows well the rules and regs of the Geneva Convention, I'm really wondering about these contractors and what influence they may have had on this atrocity and the soldiers who committed it.

Influenced or not, contractors or not, they know the rules. And they know why the rules are there, and they know why it is so important to rigidly adhere to them. It's part of their training from day one. And MPs, which I'm sure these were, get lots of additional hammering about these rules. What is clearly shown in those photos is inexcusable.

Thanks to them, we have just lost the moral authority to complain if American's taken captive are mistreated. And, in fact, they have just increased the likelyhood that they will. And that is why we have such strict rules--not for the sake of enemy PWs, but for our own.

The rest of the world is already accusing us of being torturers, while ignoring the fact that these people will be punished for this crime.

I understand the desire to try and find an out for these idiots, and I'm sure that deep down they're all good folks, but they did more for our detractors than a dozen Hanoi Johns or Janes. And they smeared the reputation of the U.S. Army.

How smug Kerry must feel now. Now when we bring up how he slandered his fellows in Vietnam, all he has to do is point at these morons.

96 posted on 04/30/2004 10:19:26 PM PDT by PsyOp (So mad I could spit!)
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To: My Dog Likes Me
I find this completely wrong, though strangely appealing...
97 posted on 04/30/2004 10:41:31 PM PDT by Deport Billary
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To: sonsofliberty2000
And, for the first time, 60 Minutes II will show some of the pictures that led to the Army investigation. According to the U.S. Army, one Iraqi prisoner was told to stand on a box with his head covered, wires attached to his hands. He was told that if he fell off the box, he would be electrocuted.

This coming from a news outlet that refused to show the horrors of 9/11, however they expound the want to impress upon us the mistreatment of our foe who are prisoners of war.

Well, CBS has convinced me of their patriotism and unbiased reporting as a corporation. NOT!

98 posted on 04/30/2004 10:59:54 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: mazinger
1. It is never acceptable for Americans to commit the disgusting acts that a few sick individuals committed.

2. Crawl back in your hole, troll....

100 posted on 05/01/2004 12:19:02 AM PDT by freebilly (I take great pleasure in the misery of Americans who take great pleasure in the misery of Americans.)
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