[orionblamblam]

> All prophesies given by God have come true because God keeps His promises. He can't lie.

Well, then, Satan is but a puppet, since his actions are pre-ordained. Satan would be thus no more accountable for evil actions than an AK-47 is to blame for being used to shoot a cop.

[AnalogReigns]

The puppet arguement regarding God and His sovereignty doesn't work. The reason? God, and his relationship to us and all His creation is unique, unlike any other relationship we can even imagine.

When a decision must be made touching you and another human person, only one person's will can prevail, yours or theirs. Their freedom must bend to your's or visa versa. However God is not like any other person...He made and sustains everything that is. Scripture clearly teaches God is fully in charge--nothing is outside His control--but also that creatures are free and responsible.

How that works? I don't understand. However, being finite, its not unreasonable to expect an infinite being and how He works is not understandable to a finite being.

There is not a logical contradition here, because God is not like anyone or anthing else--and scripture clearly teaches God's sovereign free will does not contradict our finite free will--as we are made in His image.

We do what we want...and ultimately...that will work into what He wants--and will be used to glorify Himself, and work to our good too, if we "...know God and are called according to His purpose" (Romans 8:28)

[dangus]

Here's something you might find interesting... compare the stories about Saul conducting a census in Chronicles and Samuel. The stories are almost identical, except one substitutes, "the wrath of God" for "Satan."

[stars & stripes forever]

Satan is but a puppet, since his actions are pre-ordained. Satan would be thus no more accountable for evil actions than an AK-47 is to blame for being used to shoot a cop.

...all will be condemned who have not believed the truth, but have delighted in wickedness. 2Thessalonians 2:12

[stars & stripes forever]

Satan is but a puppet, since his actions are pre-ordained. Satan would be thus no more accountable for evil actions than an AK-47 is to blame for being used to shoot a cop.

...all will be condemned who have not believed the truth, but have delighted in wickedness. 2 Thessalonians 2:12