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Union misrepresents its opposition to hospital
Oak Lawn (IL) Reporter | 4/29/04 | Michael M. Bates

Posted on 04/28/2004 5:13:36 AM PDT by Mike Bates

St. Francis Hospital and Advocate Health Care have each proposed new hospitals in the Tinley Park –Orland Park area. It’s expected that the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Board will decide within the next few months whether to approve either proposal.

The Service Employees International Union (SEIU) has mounted an aggressive campaign to influence public opinion against the Advocate facility. It sent out a mailing to area residents last week asserting, "If Advocate comes to town, our health care may be at risk."

The union’s brochure claims that if Advocate is permitted to construct a new hospital in the area, patients may pay more for health care, might be subjected to harsh collection policies, and perhaps would no longer be able to use their family doctor.

Reading the union’s mailing raised my suspicions.

Labor unions are primarily in the business of increasing membership and expanding their power. Oh, yeah, and collecting fat dues from their members.

They’re not generally known for their attention to the public interest, unless that public interest intersects with increasing membership, expanding power and collecting fat dues.

Could the SEIU’s opposition to Advocate possibly be based on something more selfish than its concerns about higher patient costs and the other things detailed in its mailing? There’s evidence that may be exactly the case.

In January of 2003, the SEIU suggested a partnership proposal to Advocate. Included in it was a demand that Advocate assume a position of neutrality on union efforts to organize its almost 25,000 employees. Ed Domansky, the system’s media relations director, told me that the SEIU called for "wall-to-wall unions at Advocate."

The union also wanted names, home telephone numbers and other personal contact information of employees.

Advocate balked. Coincidentally no doubt, the SEIU at about that time launched the Hospital Accountability Project.

The Project, according to SEIU’s website is "aimed at improving health care by making quality, affordable health care available to everyone." This can be a commendable goal, depending on the methods used.

The principal process used by the SEIU and its Hospital Accountability Project is to vilify Advocate Health Care with a vengeance. In this drive, it’s enlisted a bunch of Chicago ministers and other religious leaders, Jesse Jackson – no doubt frustrated at not having been on TV for several weeks – and Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan who, like most Democrats, finds bashing successful and large enterprises just too tempting to pass up.

I don’t really care if the Service Employees International Union wants to attack Advocate. That’s its right. What I do object to is the SEIU not being upfront about why it’s doing that.

The union wants more members and their dues. At a time when union participation is at an all-time low, the SEIU has grown and is now the largest union in the AFL-CIO. It claims to represent about 750,000 healthcare workers and obviously views that component of the economy as ripe for expansion.

The SEIU’s tactics with Advocate represents a departure from traditional ways of organizing employees. The standard method has been to gather signatures of 30 percent or more of the workers. Then the National Labor Relations Board is petitioned and an election is conducted to determine representation.

But these days it can be difficult to persuade a significant percentage of the workforce to seek collective bargaining. There have been too many instances of unions representing themselves rather than the interests of their membership.

It may be easier to wage a war of vilification against an employer. Massive negative publicity and the attendant expenses could push an employer to grease the way for the union to move in.

The SEIU maintains its interest is in affordable health care. There isn’t, however, normally a correlation between unions and lower costs. According to the AFL-CIO, weekly median earnings of a union worker are 27 percent greater than those of non-union employees. So will collective bargaining really make health care more affordable?

The Service Employees International Union should set aside the pretense and be candid about its motives. It’s clear that if the SEIU succeeded in unionizing Advocate Health Care, the corporate character assassination would end immediately.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: corporatecampaign; labor; seiu; unions
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Altogether now: Look for . the union laaaabel. . .
1 posted on 04/28/2004 5:13:36 AM PDT by Mike Bates
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To: Mike Bates
I want, no demand that my nurse belongs to the same caring, compassionate union as Jimmy Hoffa.
2 posted on 04/28/2004 5:18:30 AM PDT by AlbertWang
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To: AlbertWang
Your nurse is a "Teamster"? Are you a Doctor or a Mechanic?
3 posted on 04/28/2004 5:42:03 AM PDT by Jack of Diamonds
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To: Mike Bates
This is the most outlandishly vile anti-labor hit piece I have seen here in a long time, and that is saying something.

As for asking for the employees names, address, and phone; that is SOP. How else are they to contact the employees about forming a bargaining unit.

One more thing, SEIU doesn't need the cooperation of the employer to form a "Wall to wall" union. That is for the employees to decide.

4 posted on 04/28/2004 5:48:00 AM PDT by Jack of Diamonds
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To: Mike Bates
This is NOT a news article, it is a vanity piece.
5 posted on 04/28/2004 5:51:13 AM PDT by Jack of Diamonds
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To: Jack of Diamonds
As for asking for the employees names, address, and phone; that is SOP. How else are they to contact the employees about forming a bargaining unit.

I'm not all that familiar with organized labor, but if the employees are so interested in a union, shouldn't they be the ones contacting the union, or organizing themselves without an outside third party?

Isn't there a privacy issue with giving any third party, union or otherwise, a directory of employees? Can any charity demand the same under the pretext the employees "might" want to contribute (as they "might" want to joint the union). How about local department stores, insurance agents, landscapers etc who may want to solicit employees because the employees "might" be interested in their services?

What if several unions concurrently are soliciting the employees? Does the employer need to provide information to all of them?

Can the employees opt-out of this soliciation?
6 posted on 04/28/2004 6:18:44 AM PDT by babyface00
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To: Jack of Diamonds
This is the most outlandishly vile anti-labor hit piece I have seen here in a long time, and that is saying something.

And the scary thing is that it is 100% true. Sad how low the unions have fallen isn't it.

Way back when, when people were generally more honorable, the unions were needed to protect the employees from bad management. Now unions only exist to line the pockets of crooked union officials and they destroy every industry they infest.

Why is every union anti-American and liberal? Because all socialists are anti-american and liberal.

Support the right to work in your state!

7 posted on 04/28/2004 6:58:24 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: babyface00
There are very specific laws that govern how this is conducted. There are a lot of people on FR who make generalizations about Union that are totally ignorant of the facts.

Rules that apply to Labor do not apply to charity, and visa versa.

To organize a bargainig unit, a union must obtain the petition of 30 percent of the employees and then apply to the National Labor Relations Board which then conducts a secret ballot. A simple majority is required of the votes cast for the NLRB to approve the new bargaining unit. It is a long process. In the end, it is the choice of the employees if they want to organize.

If the union only thoght about increasing dues, there would be no more new locals. The fact that there are new locals forming at an increasing rate just demonstrates that they are still needed as much as they ever where.

8 posted on 04/28/2004 7:43:55 AM PDT by Jack of Diamonds
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To: John O
Exactly what facts do you have to support your uninformed opinion.
9 posted on 04/28/2004 7:46:40 AM PDT by Jack of Diamonds
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To: Jack of Diamonds
This is the most outlandishly vile anti-labor hit piece I have seen here in a long time. . .

Criticizing a union isn't "anti-labor." Especially when you consider that almost 90% of American laborers don't belong to a union. There's a huge difference between labor and Big Labor.

10 posted on 04/28/2004 7:47:31 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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To: Mike Bates
You must be including housewives, paperboys, babysitters, etc. to get that 90 percent. I have a hard time believing even that.
11 posted on 04/28/2004 8:06:24 AM PDT by Jack of Diamonds
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To: Jack of Diamonds
There are very specific laws that govern how this is conducted. There are a lot of people on FR who make generalizations about Union that are totally ignorant of the facts.

So what are the facts? Is an employer legally required to provide a union which does not yet have the 30% petition with a listing of its employees?

The fact that there are new locals forming at an increasing rate just demonstrates that they are still needed as much as they ever where.

I'm not sure this particular case bolsters that assertion. The facility in question hasn't yet opened, according to the article. Presumably, the 30% petition threshold hasn't been reached. How can the union assert that it is required in this case when there is no track record of bad management or employee dissatisfaction because there's no track record at all? Is all management suspect by definition by the union, regardless of their actual actions? If so, then isn't the managements' suspicion of the union's motives just as valid?

How can the union justify any dues if they can't prove that management wouldn't have acted in exactly the same manner in the absense of the union?

In the end, it is the choice of the employees if they want to organize

I'm not sure the other 49% of the employees feel that way. A simple majority seems like an awfully bad way to permanently alter the employer/employee dynamic of an organization. How many companies which were once unionized had the employees voluntarily dis-organize because the union had accomplished its original goals?
12 posted on 04/28/2004 8:15:59 AM PDT by babyface00
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To: babyface00
You have a very negative opinon of unions. Negotiating with management when there is a problem is not their only function. It would be best for all parties if the union is involved up front. Problems are best resolved before the fact.

As for the 49 percent, and you are assuming it would be that close. This is the law, and understandable in a democratic society. We elect our congress and president with the same requirement. Why should the 51 percent who want a union be prevented by the 49. This is the rule of the majority. This is the American way.

13 posted on 04/28/2004 9:30:47 AM PDT by Jack of Diamonds
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To: Jack of Diamonds; babyface00; Mike Bates; John O; AlbertWang
"This is the rule of the majority. This is the American way."

Ahhh, so THAT is how it works!!!!

OK then I think I can get a majority of folks on this thread to agree that you should give us all five bucks.

We have a motion on the table, who here votes aye on Jack giving everyone five bucks?

14 posted on 04/28/2004 9:55:54 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Mad Dawgg
You can't win so you change the subject to so stupid joke.

Ok, vote, then you can get in line behind my creditors. I am a Federal (DoD) IT employee, so it may be a while before you get it.

As the saying goes, I rather owe it to you forever than cheat you out of it.

15 posted on 04/28/2004 10:09:45 AM PDT by Jack of Diamonds
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To: Jack of Diamonds
"You can't win so you change the subject to so stupid joke."

No not a stupid joke, a valid comparison to your mistaken assertion!

16 posted on 04/28/2004 10:14:11 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Jack of Diamonds
You have a very negative opinon of unions. Negotiating with management when there is a problem is not their only function. It would be best for all parties if the union is involved up front. Problems are best resolved before the fact.

Right now I have a pretty neutral opinion. I come from a "union family" and that's where what little opinion I have comes from. However, I really don't see what the attraction is in general, and especially in the case of this article. I guess I'm too much of an individualist, and collectivism in general always makes me suspect.

Why should the 51 percent who want a union be prevented by the 49.

Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but the 49 get represented by the union the 51 elected, whether they voted for them or not. So before the union, each employee has his/her own relationship with the employer, which can be unique in terms of salary and benefits. However, if 51% of the employees vote for a union, 100% of those relationships are abolished in favor of collective bargaining. Or do I misunderstand?
17 posted on 04/28/2004 10:22:09 AM PDT by babyface00
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To: Jack of Diamonds
You must be including housewives, paperboys, babysitters, etc. to get that 90 percent. I have a hard time believing even that.

In 2003, 12.9 percent of wage and salary workers were union members, down from 13.3 percent in 2002, the U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today.(1/21/04) Source: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

18 posted on 04/28/2004 10:33:20 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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To: Mad Dawgg
We have a motion on the table, who here votes aye on Jack giving everyone five bucks?

Oh, what the heck. I vote "yea."

19 posted on 04/28/2004 10:34:44 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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To: Jack of Diamonds
I am a Federal (DoD) IT employee, so it may be a while before you get it.

Hope you're on annual leave today.

20 posted on 04/28/2004 10:47:24 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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