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U.S. Bishops' Task Force to Discuss Pro-Abortion Politicians In Wake of Card. Arinze's Comments
zenit.org ^ | 4/26/04 | zenit.org

Posted on 04/26/2004 4:30:38 PM PDT by Polycarp IV

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Code: ZE04042623

Date: 2004-04-26

U.S. Bishops' Task Force to Discuss Pro-Abortion Politicians

In Wake of Cardinal Arinze's Comments

WASHINGTON, D.C., APRIL 26, 2004 (Zenit.org).- A task force set up the U.S. bishops' conference will discuss the reception of sacraments by Catholics whose political advocacy directly contradicts Church teaching.

Bishop Wilton Gregory, president of the episcopal conference, announced the task force in the wake of a Vatican press conference last week in which Cardinal Francis Arinze said that politicians who support abortion must not go to Communion. He also said that priests must deny such politicians the sacrament.

Cardinal Arinze, prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments, was presenting a new Vatican instruction, "Redemptionis Sacramentum" (The Sacrament of Redemption), aimed at ensuring the proper celebration and reception of the Eucharist.

Bishop Gregory noted that the prefect's comments extended to U.S. politicians and said: "Cardinal Arinze stated it is the responsibility of the bishops of the United States to deal pastorally with such situations as they exist here."

"Each diocesan bishop has the right and duty to address such issues of serious pastoral concern as he judges best in his local church, in accord with pastoral and canonical norms," Bishop Gregory said.

"To assist us in our common discernment, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops has established a task force to discuss issues with regard to the participation of Catholics in political life, including reception of the sacraments, in the cases of those whose political advocacy is in direct contradiction to Church teaching," he said.

"The establishment of this task force is a clear sign of the seriousness with which we take these issues and continue to consider how best to interpret and apply the norms of the Church in their regard," said the bishop of Belleville, Illinois.

He added: "It has always been our hope and expectation as bishops that men and women in political life, whatever their religious convictions, would be guided by and live out the truth of the faith given them by God with integrity."


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To: sinkspur
OK. What about integrity and not causing scandal to those who actually take the teachings seriously?
21 posted on 04/26/2004 6:42:27 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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To: Polycarp IV
expands on this to forbid communion to politicians who support the war in Iraq? ...

That bishop will be slapped down immediately on canon law grounds. Nothing to worry about here.

And who's going to slap him down? JPII, who is against the war? His curia, who support him in his opposition?

And, when is the last time a bishop was "slapped down" by Rome?

The reason the bishops are studying a response is that they know very well this is a slippery slope.

22 posted on 04/26/2004 6:46:31 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: Polycarp IV
What's to discuss?
23 posted on 04/26/2004 6:47:30 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod ('I went to Vietnam, yada yada yada, I want to be President...")
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To: sinkspur
I don't want the Church to influence the election in Kerry's favor, and I fear a photo-op of Kerry being refused could do just that.

No way. If the bishops thought it would help Kerry, they would excommunicate him in a heartbeat.

No, Kerry and the bishops know that Kerry needs the mass attending Catholics to vote for him to win. They know he will lose the vote of the mass attending Catholics if he is formally denied communion.

That is the bottom line...they WANT Kerry to win, so they WILL NOT refuse him the Eucharist.

24 posted on 04/26/2004 6:48:18 PM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: don-o
What about integrity and not causing scandal to those who actually take the teachings seriously?

Good points, but these must be balanced by the overall affect such an action might have on the election. If the bishops wanted to act, last year would have been the time to do it, before Kerry became the nominee.

Now, he will be made to be a target, and that could adversely affect the election.

25 posted on 04/26/2004 6:49:23 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: Polycarp IV
they WANT Kerry to win, so they WILL NOT refuse him the Eucharist.

Well, I don't agree. I think the bishops want to stay out of influencing the election at all, or even the appearance of influencing.

26 posted on 04/26/2004 6:50:55 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur
If the bishops wanted to act,

Action and bishops????

Nope. Not until the court cases pile up.

My take - the bishops lie low, because a large majority of them have their own skeletons in the closet.

What a sorry mess!

27 posted on 04/26/2004 6:53:32 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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To: sinkspur
I think the bishops want to stay out of influencing the election at all

That's sounds a bit naive coming from you, Sink. You know better than that.

28 posted on 04/26/2004 6:59:21 PM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: sinkspur; Polycarp IV
Well, I don't agree. I think the bishops want to stay out of influencing the election at all, or even the appearance of influencing.

Since when did bishops see their ministry as political? My Catholic wife well said that they bear the crozier for a reason - "to protect the sheep and dismay the wolves."

Did y'all see the excellent letter that Mrs. don-o wrote? I posted it on Sunday.

She closed by saying that her memory as a 52 year old faithful Catholic is the opposite - "Protecting the wolves and dismaying the sheep."

29 posted on 04/26/2004 7:00:33 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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To: Polycarp IV
What's there to talk about? Just excommunicate them already and be done with it.

And NO task force for the democrats' acceptance of homosexuality, immorality, no: 10 commandments in schools and courts, prayer in school, school vouchers and so on.
30 posted on 04/26/2004 7:02:04 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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31 posted on 04/26/2004 7:03:32 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Polycarp IV
That's sounds a bit naive coming from you, Sink. You know better than that.

Well, until you show me concrete evidence that the American Catholic bishops support Democrats, across the board, I'll remain naive, Brian.

The only issue the bishops have harped on in the last ten years is abortion, and we know where the Democrats stand on that issue vis-a-vis George W. Bush.

32 posted on 04/26/2004 7:04:13 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: don-o
Since when did bishops see their ministry as political?

When they refused to take the stance 20 years ago that you want them to take now.

33 posted on 04/26/2004 7:05:48 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: Polycarp IV
Letter to American Bishops

Mrs don-o sent this our to her bishops.

34 posted on 04/26/2004 7:07:28 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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To: sinkspur
When they refused to take the stance 20 years ago that you want them to take now.

What twenty years? Roe v Wade was over thirty.

Whar happend twenty years ago? HMMM.

1984?

35 posted on 04/26/2004 7:09:49 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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To: Polycarp IV
Dear Bishop Gregory,

John Kerry is a member of the perfidious quasi-masonic secret society at Yale University, Skull & Bones, an undemocratic and fascistic organization whose members support population control and the manipulation of the political system for a private, unpublished agenda. For this alone, John Kerry should be excommunicated.

36 posted on 04/26/2004 7:11:35 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: sinkspur
But, if a particular bishop thinks it is, or thinks that politicians supporting capital punishment (which has been pretty well condemned by JP II) should be refused the Eucharist, he will point to this "policy" as his pretext.

Fine. We have canon law, and a legal system in which to adjudicate such matters.

The fear of what some dissenting bishops might do should not be a cause for inaction in the face of evil.

37 posted on 04/26/2004 7:11:58 PM PDT by B Knotts (Just another medieval Catholic)
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To: sinkspur
The only issue the bishops have harped on in the last ten years is abortion

Harped on?

Pretty good, Sink. Played pretty music, while millions died.

Let's hear it for the band!

38 posted on 04/26/2004 7:12:05 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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To: sinkspur; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; ...
This kind of thing, if not handled deftly, has a way of backfiring.

Care to share examples of Bishops with backbones that have had their efforts 'backfire'?

39 posted on 04/26/2004 7:16:44 PM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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To: B Knotts
The fear of what some dissenting bishops might do should not be a cause for inaction in the face of evil.

Just be careful. Playing bull-in-a-china closet on this issue might bring about a much greater evil, the election of a man dedicated to reversing the small gains we've made under George W. Bush.

40 posted on 04/26/2004 7:17:40 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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