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U.S. Bishops' Task Force to Discuss Pro-Abortion Politicians In Wake of Card. Arinze's Comments
zenit.org ^ | 4/26/04 | zenit.org

Posted on 04/26/2004 4:30:38 PM PDT by Polycarp IV

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Code: ZE04042623

Date: 2004-04-26

U.S. Bishops' Task Force to Discuss Pro-Abortion Politicians

In Wake of Cardinal Arinze's Comments

WASHINGTON, D.C., APRIL 26, 2004 (Zenit.org).- A task force set up the U.S. bishops' conference will discuss the reception of sacraments by Catholics whose political advocacy directly contradicts Church teaching.

Bishop Wilton Gregory, president of the episcopal conference, announced the task force in the wake of a Vatican press conference last week in which Cardinal Francis Arinze said that politicians who support abortion must not go to Communion. He also said that priests must deny such politicians the sacrament.

Cardinal Arinze, prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments, was presenting a new Vatican instruction, "Redemptionis Sacramentum" (The Sacrament of Redemption), aimed at ensuring the proper celebration and reception of the Eucharist.

Bishop Gregory noted that the prefect's comments extended to U.S. politicians and said: "Cardinal Arinze stated it is the responsibility of the bishops of the United States to deal pastorally with such situations as they exist here."

"Each diocesan bishop has the right and duty to address such issues of serious pastoral concern as he judges best in his local church, in accord with pastoral and canonical norms," Bishop Gregory said.

"To assist us in our common discernment, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops has established a task force to discuss issues with regard to the participation of Catholics in political life, including reception of the sacraments, in the cases of those whose political advocacy is in direct contradiction to Church teaching," he said.

"The establishment of this task force is a clear sign of the seriousness with which we take these issues and continue to consider how best to interpret and apply the norms of the Church in their regard," said the bishop of Belleville, Illinois.

He added: "It has always been our hope and expectation as bishops that men and women in political life, whatever their religious convictions, would be guided by and live out the truth of the faith given them by God with integrity."


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To: BlackElk; Siobhan; Polycarp IV
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161 posted on 04/27/2004 8:42:14 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Polycarp IV
"The establishment of this task force is a clear sign of the seriousness with which we take these issues and continue to consider how best to interpret and apply the norms of the Church in their regard,"

Bishop-speak for..."We aint doin nuttin".

The Bishops in this country and around the world have lost their spine. In the process, they have forsaken the truth for worldly matters.

Deacon Francis

PS: I wrote to my own boss and told him I would be sending my Catholic Charities donation to the Bush/Cheney re-election campaign because they are doing a better job of fighting the abomination of abortion in the country than the USCCB is.

162 posted on 04/27/2004 9:29:30 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Pax et bonum!)
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To: sinkspur
Hmm, I guess Canon Law, Catholic Doctrine, Papal action, objective mortality ect are contrary to the common good then.
163 posted on 04/27/2004 3:56:36 PM PDT by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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To: Catholicguy
Can I give you some advice?

It would be very helpful if you would cut and paste a quote or two from whatever post you're reading so that I would have something for reference.

Your assertion Hmm, I guess Canon Law, Catholic Doctrine, Papal action, objective mortality ect are contrary to the common good then is, of course, in reference to something you think I said.

I would have to answer no to your assertion, but I don't have the context to help understand why you're making the assertion.

164 posted on 04/27/2004 4:02:30 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur
If you don't think this will look political, you're dreaming

Refusing to act due to fear of being judged as having acted politically is a singularly political act.

IMO, they refuse to act because they are riven with fear of "offending" the political class/government from whom they derive so much of their money.

Offending God, the Vicar of Christ, Christian Doctrine, Canon Law, Objective morality, Truth, Common Sense etc appears to be a "safer" course of inaction.

Ergo, "Task Force"

165 posted on 04/27/2004 4:07:12 PM PDT by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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To: sinkspur
Citing truth is not an obsession. One can't be both a Mason and a Catholic. Capiche?
166 posted on 04/27/2004 4:11:02 PM PDT by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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To: narses; sinkspur
As a Catholic Deacon, Sink frequently opposes the Pope. I can't recall him ever opposing Bush.
167 posted on 04/27/2004 4:12:46 PM PDT by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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To: Catholicguy
One can't be both a Mason and a Catholic. Capiche?

I know. I never said otherwise.

Masons came up because Howling is obsessed with Masons, and introduces them into a discussion about Skull and Bones, as if there was some equivalency.

It's like comparing a fraternity to the Communist Party.

168 posted on 04/27/2004 4:14:28 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: Catholicguy
I can't recall him ever opposing Bush.

Immigration policy with Mexico.

Campaign Finance Reform.

I don't oppose the Pope on doctrine.

169 posted on 04/27/2004 4:17:27 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur
FREEMASONRY (Q): What is wrong with a Catholic being a Mason?

(A): According to the New Catholic Encyclopedia, "Freemasonry displays all the elements of religion, and as such it becomes a rival to the religion of the Gospel. It includes temples and altars, prayers, a moral code, worship, vestments, feast days, the promise of reward and punishment in the afterlife, a hierarchy, and initiative and burial rites" (vol. 6, p 137). Freemasonry in the United States is more or less a social gathering, however, there is a still a threat because it promotes a faith other than the orthodox Christianity. Most Masons are Christians and they display a Bible on their altar, however, all religious denominations (including non-Christian) are invited to join and may bring their own sacred scriptures.

(Q): What is the Catholic Church's official position on Freemasonry? Are Catholics free to become Freemasons?

(A): In 1983, Canon 1374 clarified the misunderstandings that were presented with Vatican II. The Canon states that a person who joins an association that plots against the church is to be punished with an interdict (excommunication).

Cardinal Ratzinger, the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith issued a new declaration following this announcement of the new Code. The new Canon 1374 has the same essential import as the old Canon 2335, and the fact that the "Masonic sect" is no longer explicitly named is irrelevant;

The Church's negative judgment on Masonry remains unchanged, because the Masonic principles are irreconcilable with the Church's teaching ("earum principia semper iconciliabilia habita sunt cum Ecclesiae doctrina" )

Catholics who join the Masons are in the state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion and, No local ecclesiastical authority has competence to derogate from these judgments of the Sacred Congregation. ("Quaesitum est," AAS 76 (1984) 300. (From No. 553, pp. 482-87)

CLARIFICATION CONCERNING STATUS OF CATHOLICS BECOMING FREEMASONS Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

On 19, July 1974 this Congregation wrote to some of the Episcopal Conferences a private letter concerning the interpretation of canon 2335 of the Code of Canon Law which forbids Catholics, under the penalty of excommunication, to enroll in Masonic or other similar associations.

Since the said letter has become public and has given rise to erroneous and tendentious interpretations, this Congregation, without prejudice to the eventual norms of the new Code, issues the following confirmation and clarification:

the present canonical discipline remains in full force and has not been modified in any way; consequently, neither the excommunication nor the other penalties envisaged have been abrogated; what was said in the aforesaid letter as regards the interpretation to be given to the canon in question should be understood--as the Congregation intended-merely as a reminder of the general principles of interpretation of penal laws for the solution of the cases of individual persons which may be submitted to the judgment of ordinaries. It was not, however, the intention of the Congregation to permit Episcopal Conferences to issue public pronouncements by way of a judgment of a general character on the nature of Masonic associations, which would imply a derogation from the aforesaid norms.

(Rome, from the Office of the S. Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, 17 February 1981

Deacon, why don't you know this?

170 posted on 04/27/2004 4:17:56 PM PDT by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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To: Catholicguy
Catholics shouldn't be Masons. I agree with that, and have said that, at least two times This is the third.

I don't know what your point is.

171 posted on 04/27/2004 4:24:26 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: Polycarp IV; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; narses; All
I saw where Card. Arinze is coming to U.S. (CA ?) for commencement speeches in mere weeks.

Do y'all suspect he will be privately hammering our linguini spine bishops on this?

I suspect the bishops will do nothing if left alone.

172 posted on 04/27/2004 4:58:19 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: Polycarp IV
"To assist us in our common discernment, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops has established a task force to discuss issues..."

Translation: "We will deal with this unpleasantness by talking it to death in obscurity, issuing a report at some point in the future which will sink without a trace into the depths of the USCCB archives, unnoticed and unmourned. We could, I suppose, make a decision and take action, but...it's so much simpler this way."
173 posted on 04/27/2004 5:03:23 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Catholicguy; sinkspur
He tries hard to oppose the Pope in areas allowed - i.e., Iraq, the death penalty and the like. As for GW, well, he is a Texican. Sink is actually a great representative of the Modern Catholic (the very Model of a Modern Major Catholic, with apologies to Gilbert and Sullivan). He does a wonderful job of being mainstream. (I'm not sure any of that is a good thing, but then I'm not sure of much beyond the expressed Dogmas and creeds of our common faith.)
174 posted on 04/27/2004 6:02:29 PM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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To: narses
He tries hard to oppose the Pope in areas allowed

Do you oppose the death penalty, narses?

What about the Iraq War? If the Pope had had his way, Hussein would still be stuffing his own people into shredders.

175 posted on 04/27/2004 6:05:29 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur
You misrepresent the Vatican regards Iraq, clearly HH never said he supported Saddam Hussein, he simply wanted a solution without war. As for the death penalty, I tend to agree with HH although the reality is that he and the Church still support the theoretical concept. The reality is that the rich and powerful kill with impunity, OJ is one example, that multi-millionaire down your way (Texas? Louisiana?) that chopped up his roomate is another. There is little question it is a terribly abused tool. Anyhow, I pointed out your disobedience/disagreement is and has been in the area of 'allowable', no?
176 posted on 04/27/2004 6:12:51 PM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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To: narses
Anyhow, I pointed out your disobedience/disagreement is and has been in the area of 'allowable', no?

It's not disobedience if it's "allowable", is it?

177 posted on 04/27/2004 9:06:07 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: BlackElk
Bill Buckley was CIA and P. Lumumba's (sp?) handler; he infamously opposed the Pope ("Magister, si, Mater no") and had to be corrected by his brother Reid in the pages of the American Spectator; he mid-wifed the birth of the Neocon- monster by disguising the whore of Empire with his rhetoric of liberty and enticing conservatives to have intellectual intercourse with that diseased and deadly whore, the reult being "conservatives" are now in favor of perpetual war for perpetual peace; he published and praised the "nuanced" moral reasoning of Charlie Curran and Mario Cumo; he castigated as antisemitic any real conservative (including his dad, joe sobran etc etc) so he could maintain his lifestyle/friendship with the NY media mob and the neocon monster he helped create killed American Conservatism.

Other than that, I guess he is ok...

178 posted on 04/28/2004 3:46:27 PM PDT by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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To: narses
agreed
179 posted on 04/28/2004 3:50:18 PM PDT by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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To: sinkspur
You routinely violate Canon Law as a Cleric. We had a LONG series of posts about this and you, apparently, forgot what your duty is. I'll help your memory :)

Can. 273 Clerics have a special obligation to show reverence and obedience to the Supreme Pontiff and to their own Ordinary.

. Can. 275 §1 Since all clerics are working for the same purpose, namely the building up of the body of Christ, they are to be united with one another in the bond of brotherhood and prayer. They are to seek to cooperate with one another, in accordance with the provisions of particular law.

180 posted on 04/28/2004 3:54:08 PM PDT by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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