[narses]

You misrepresent the Vatican regards Iraq, clearly HH never said he supported Saddam Hussein, he simply wanted a solution without war. As for the death penalty, I tend to agree with HH although the reality is that he and the Church still support the theoretical concept. The reality is that the rich and powerful kill with impunity, OJ is one example, that multi-millionaire down your way (Texas? Louisiana?) that chopped up his roomate is another. There is little question it is a terribly abused tool. Anyhow, I pointed out your disobedience/disagreement is and has been in the area of 'allowable', no?

[sinkspur]

Anyhow, I pointed out your disobedience/disagreement is and has been in the area of 'allowable', no?

It's not disobedience if it's "allowable", is it?