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Saddam's WMD Have Been Found
Insight Magazine ^ | 26 April 2004 | Kenneth R. Timmerman

Posted on 04/26/2004 7:32:46 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln

New evidence out of Iraq suggests that the U.S. effort to track down Saddam Hussein's missing weapons of mass destruction (WMD) is having better success than is being reported. Key assertions by the intelligence community that were widely judged in the media and by critics of President George W. Bush as having been false are turning out to have been true after all. But this stunning news has received little attention from the major media, and the president's critics continue to insist that "no weapons" have been found.

In virtually every case - chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missiles - the United States has found the weapons and the programs that the Iraqi dictator successfully concealed for 12 years from U.N. weapons inspectors.

The Iraq Survey Group (ISG), whose intelligence analysts are managed by Charles Duelfer, a former State Department official and deputy chief of the U.N.-led arms-inspection teams, has found "hundreds of cases of activities that were prohibited" under U.N. Security Council resolutions, a senior administration official tells Insight. "There is a long list of charges made by the U.S. that have been confirmed, but none of this seems to mean anything because the weapons that were unaccounted for by the United Nations remain unaccounted for."

Both Duelfer and his predecessor, David Kay, reported to Congress that the evidence they had found on the ground in Iraq showed Saddam's regime was in "material violation" of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, the last of 17 resolutions that promised "serious consequences" if Iraq did not make a complete disclosure of its weapons programs and dismantle them in a verifiable manner. The United States cited Iraq's refusal to comply with these demands as one justification for going to war.

Both Duelfer and Kay found that Iraq had "a clandestine network of laboratories and safe houses with equipment that was suitable to continuing its prohibited chemical- and biological-weapons [BW] programs," the official said. "They found a prison laboratory where we suspect they tested biological weapons on human subjects." They found equipment for "uranium-enrichment centrifuges" whose only plausible use was as part of a clandestine nuclear-weapons program. In all these cases, "Iraqi scientists had been told before the war not to declare their activities to the U.N. inspectors," the official said.

But while the president's critics and the media might plausibly hide behind ambiguity and a lack of sensational-

looking finds for not reporting some discoveries, in the case of Saddam's ballistic-missile programs they have no excuse for their silence. "Where were the missiles? We found them," another senior administration official told Insight.

"Saddam Hussein's prohibited missile programs are as close to a slam dunk as you will ever find for violating United Nations resolutions," the first official said. Both senior administration officials spoke to Insight on condition that neither their name nor their agency be identified, but their accounts of what the United States has found in Iraq coincided in every major area.

When former weapons inspector Kay reported to Congress in January that the United States had found "no stockpiles" of forbidden weapons in Iraq, his conclusions made front-page news. But when he detailed what the ISG had found in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence last October, few took notice. Among Kay's revelations, which officials tell Insight have been amplified in subsequent inspections in recent weeks:



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To: Lando Lincoln
BTTT
141 posted on 04/27/2004 2:24:35 AM PDT by Dajjal
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To: Dr. Frank fan
Great summary. Unfortunately, what is going to stick in my warped little mind the longest is your creative acronyms:-)
142 posted on 04/27/2004 6:50:51 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Lando Lincoln
In other news, all of the major new media and countless anti-war protestors have rescinded their claims that "Bush lied"..........NOT.
143 posted on 04/27/2004 12:43:02 PM PDT by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: Lando Lincoln
A FReeper Keeper - Bookmarked!
144 posted on 04/27/2004 1:00:10 PM PDT by b4its2late (If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip.)
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To: RetiredArmy
"YOU WAIT AND SEE. IF SOMETHING BIG IS DISCOVERED FROM NOW TO THE ELECTION, THAT IS HOW THEY WILL SPIN IT!"

They don't have to spin it.

They just don't report it.

145 posted on 04/27/2004 1:12:42 PM PDT by auggy (http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-DownhomeKY /// Check out My USA Photo album & Fat Files)
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To: Lando Lincoln
BTTT
146 posted on 04/27/2004 2:52:57 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Dr. Frank fan
"All that crap really could have been "pesticides". Are you REALLY saying you buy that?"

Heck no... But, until a test shows it is WMD, we don't really have proof. Obviously they don't put pesticides into shells, but still....for the world to say "Ah ha, they had WMD!" we need to find more than this. This article makes it sound like we found it all. We found a start.

You are right about my when we invaded comment though....he may have moved stuff to Syria just prior to the war.
147 posted on 04/27/2004 5:21:39 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: rwfromkansas
["pesticides"] Heck no... But, until a test shows it is WMD, we don't really have proof.

There IS NO "test for WMD". I think this is just part of the fallacious thinking that is surrounding the debate. They tested these materials and in their chemical makeup they "resemble" pesticides. That's the fact on the table. There are no more further "tests" to do because we know what they are: pesticide-like materials.

There are only two explanations then:

1. They really are pesticides.

2. They are not pesticides, but something else.

You and I both, reasonably enough, reject 1. because the notion that Saddam would have stockpiled so many pesticides in camoflaged bunkers near military outposts is just laughable.

So we are left with 2. then. They are materials based on pesticide-like precursors, stored in drums, near military sites, camoflaged and placed in underground bunkers, but not actually pesticides nor is it at all plausible that they were intended for use as pesticides. But presumably when prepared and delivered by appropriate means, they could kill large numbers of humans. (This is true even of actual pesticides of course.)

That's what "WMD" MEANS! I don't even know what else people think a "WMD" would be.

At the bare minimum these were finds of "WMD" precursors. In other words, stuff that could be mixed with other stuff, or prepared appropriately, to be deliverable "WMDs", but not actually deliverable "WMDs". But to make that distinction is asinine. It's like saying that if you find an empty gun, and a bullet, that's not a weapon. Only if the bullet is in the gun, have you found a weapon. The bullet by itself is just a "precursor" and the gun by itself is just a "precursor". In a sense this is a true way to look at things, but still quite warped.

So we found "precursors" to WMD. We found material which could be used and was meant to be used, if/when the time arose, for WMD. That's good enough for me. Why wouldn't it be good enough for anyone? Who ever raised the bar to this absurd height that, unless we find a "loaded WMD gun", we haven't found ANYTHING? The charge against Saddam was NEVER "he has a loaded WMD gun", it was that he had, and was continuing to make, banned materials. Guilty as charged.

....for the world to say "Ah ha, they had WMD!" we need to find more than this

You are probably right but that's because "the world" has raised the bar to such an absurd height. Which was one of the main points of this article, in fact.

This article makes it sound like we found it all.

Not "it all". From the article: "In virtually every case - chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missiles - the United States has found the weapons and the programs...". The article is explicit about the fact that there are still things unaccounted for.

Best,

148 posted on 04/27/2004 6:02:09 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Lando Lincoln
bump
149 posted on 04/28/2004 8:35:50 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Lando Lincoln
bump
150 posted on 04/28/2004 8:46:17 AM PDT by jonno (We are NOT a democracy - though we are democratic. We ARE a constitutional republic.)
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To: Lando Lincoln
Great post! Bttt.
151 posted on 04/28/2004 8:50:28 AM PDT by SquirrelKing ("...US Marines have done more for world peace than all the Ben & Jerry's ever made." - PJ O'Rourke)
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To: L.N. Smithee
I have been through promises of...

Sadley, I agree with you. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

152 posted on 04/28/2004 8:54:28 AM PDT by jonno (We are NOT a democracy - though we are democratic. We ARE a constitutional republic.)
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To: Lando Lincoln
IT is in MHO...

What hasn't been located will be used in the VERY NEAR FUTURE...Saudi Arabia will be hit as well as our troops...there are MORE reasons for the smaller countries pulling their troops...they KNOW a chemical attack is imminent...and they aren't prepared to deal with one.

WMD will raise their ugly head BEFORE May31/June 1, 2004 in the Middle East...

153 posted on 04/28/2004 8:58:06 AM PDT by antivenom ("Never argue with an idiot, he'll bring you down to his level - then beat you with experience.")
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To: clamboat
hmmm
154 posted on 04/28/2004 9:08:54 AM PDT by jonno (We are NOT a democracy - though we are democratic. We ARE a constitutional republic.)
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To: rwfromkansas
BIG WHOOP! So they had something with which they could restart their program with. It doesn't prove they had produced WMD's and had them right before or during our invasion.

It shows they had the capability and the intent. That's more than enough to be deeply concerned about, in the hands of Saddam, Uday and Qusay.

155 posted on 05/07/2004 1:26:11 PM PDT by alnick (Mrs. Heinz-Kerry's husband wants teh-rayz-ah your taxes.)
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To: alnick
I will grant you that.

If they had the capability, that is pretty darn serious. I should not have meant it sound like nothing.

It is just that unfortunately, that isn't going to be what convinces the media to cover the story since it is not "clear" enough evidence.
156 posted on 05/07/2004 1:27:46 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Lando Lincoln

bttt


157 posted on 12/19/2005 6:20:42 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: alnick; rwfromkansas

I may be a dufus pollyanna, but I really think that the Bush administration is on the verge of another shock and awe performance FOR the American people.

Ask yourself why Dr. Germ & Mrs. Anthrax were just released. Something BIG is brewing and it isn't a sizzling idiot suicide bomber.


158 posted on 12/19/2005 6:28:53 PM PST by right wing (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON!)
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To: Lando Lincoln

Just ask ISIS.


159 posted on 07/06/2014 2:55:11 PM PDT by Thickman (Obama - President Ubiquitous (a.k.a. P.U.))
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