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Saddam's WMD Have Been Found
Insight Magazine ^ | 26 April 2004 | Kenneth R. Timmerman

Posted on 04/26/2004 7:32:46 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln

New evidence out of Iraq suggests that the U.S. effort to track down Saddam Hussein's missing weapons of mass destruction (WMD) is having better success than is being reported. Key assertions by the intelligence community that were widely judged in the media and by critics of President George W. Bush as having been false are turning out to have been true after all. But this stunning news has received little attention from the major media, and the president's critics continue to insist that "no weapons" have been found.

In virtually every case - chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missiles - the United States has found the weapons and the programs that the Iraqi dictator successfully concealed for 12 years from U.N. weapons inspectors.

The Iraq Survey Group (ISG), whose intelligence analysts are managed by Charles Duelfer, a former State Department official and deputy chief of the U.N.-led arms-inspection teams, has found "hundreds of cases of activities that were prohibited" under U.N. Security Council resolutions, a senior administration official tells Insight. "There is a long list of charges made by the U.S. that have been confirmed, but none of this seems to mean anything because the weapons that were unaccounted for by the United Nations remain unaccounted for."

Both Duelfer and his predecessor, David Kay, reported to Congress that the evidence they had found on the ground in Iraq showed Saddam's regime was in "material violation" of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, the last of 17 resolutions that promised "serious consequences" if Iraq did not make a complete disclosure of its weapons programs and dismantle them in a verifiable manner. The United States cited Iraq's refusal to comply with these demands as one justification for going to war.

Both Duelfer and Kay found that Iraq had "a clandestine network of laboratories and safe houses with equipment that was suitable to continuing its prohibited chemical- and biological-weapons [BW] programs," the official said. "They found a prison laboratory where we suspect they tested biological weapons on human subjects." They found equipment for "uranium-enrichment centrifuges" whose only plausible use was as part of a clandestine nuclear-weapons program. In all these cases, "Iraqi scientists had been told before the war not to declare their activities to the U.N. inspectors," the official said.

But while the president's critics and the media might plausibly hide behind ambiguity and a lack of sensational-

looking finds for not reporting some discoveries, in the case of Saddam's ballistic-missile programs they have no excuse for their silence. "Where were the missiles? We found them," another senior administration official told Insight.

"Saddam Hussein's prohibited missile programs are as close to a slam dunk as you will ever find for violating United Nations resolutions," the first official said. Both senior administration officials spoke to Insight on condition that neither their name nor their agency be identified, but their accounts of what the United States has found in Iraq coincided in every major area.

When former weapons inspector Kay reported to Congress in January that the United States had found "no stockpiles" of forbidden weapons in Iraq, his conclusions made front-page news. But when he detailed what the ISG had found in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence last October, few took notice. Among Kay's revelations, which officials tell Insight have been amplified in subsequent inspections in recent weeks:



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To: Dr. Frank fan; spaceman spiff
Have you considered that we may not be announcing the finding of WMDs because we haven't found them ALL. At least some are likely to be in the hands of the "Insurgents." Not making the announcement deters the bad guys from using them against us and the Iraqi population in general. If we "find" WMDs, they can use them.

Sounds good on the surface. I can't agree with it, though. Simple reason being that the "insurgents" have no problems using women and children as human sheilds. They have no problem with blowing themselves up and killing innocent Iraqis. Finally, it was stated a long time ago, by the Al Queda crew, that they wanted to get WMDs. I think that if they had them, they would have used them by now.

101 posted on 04/26/2004 12:27:41 PM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Turbo Pig
I am not talking strictly Al Quada. The Iraqi "insurgents" just want us out of Iraq so they can take over. Using WMD would prove Saddam had them and that we are justified in staying. If they just wanted to kill innocents, chemical weapons are ideal.
102 posted on 04/26/2004 1:17:34 PM PDT by spaceman spiff (Don't anthropomorphize computers. They don't appreciate it.)
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To: spaceman spiff
I know you didn't mean soley Al Queda. I just think human sheilds and homicide bombings are the fashionalbe things to do amongst ALL the hip "insurgents" in Iraq this seaon.
103 posted on 04/26/2004 1:32:22 PM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: counterpunch
I quess Bush is a good poker player.
104 posted on 04/26/2004 2:01:09 PM PDT by Milligan
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To: Turbo Pig; spaceman spiff
Turbo, I hear what you're saying. All the factors you cite are in play.

I think it's important to keep in mind though that not all "insurgents" are created equal. At risk of oversimplifying, we know about at least 3 main factions: Baathist Creep Heavies (BCHs), Shiite Hateful Theocrats (SHTs), and Foreign Al Qaeda Instigator-Ringleaders (FAQIRs). (There's probably also a good number of just run-of-the-mill street-running thugs/losers, who may migrate amongst the 3 and do some looting along the way etc, but they're not worth mention.)

What spiff's theory is suggesting, I think, is that, from the point of view of our military strategists, publicizing and officially declaring "WMD Found!", even if they *have been*, may backfire in that it removes a potential disincentive for certain of the "insurgents" who may (for all we know) have some of the war-dislocated "WMD", to use them. Since we can't (according to this theory) assume that this faction doesn't have them, we're going to keep the deterrent in place by holding the "WMD" question at Not Found status for now.

Two factors need to be present for this theory to hold water:

1. One or more of the "insurgent" factions must actually have some war-dislocated "WMD", or more to the point, there must be a good reason to suspect/fear that this is the case.

2. That faction or factions which (we believe) might *have* those "WMD", must *currently* believe that "because it would prove the US was right to invade, and grant more political legitimacy to the occupation, making it harder to force them out" is a sufficient disincentive not to use them. In other words, they must be deter-able, by this kind of geopolitical motive.

I do agree with you that that rules out "Al Qaeda". What you're saying, I think, is that *some* of the "insurgents" have so far displayed no compunction of any sort about killing anybody for any reason, and have shown no signs that such considerations as politics (which is what the "WMD" issue is now about) would deter them. That is correct, but it seems to be correctly mostly of the FAQIR faction, since (according to reports) they seem to be behind all the actual *terrorism*, i.e. killing Iraqis in a market trying for no real reason other than to foment "instability" and possibly to instigate a Sunni-Shiite civil war, according to the strategy laid out by Zarqawi in his memo.

But the faction that seems to be assembled around the BCHs and based in Fallujah - which is the faction you'd actually expect to have inherited some of the WMDs from Saddam's regime - has also committed what is technically terrorism, but (if I understand events correctly) it is usually against us Occupiers, and/or those who "collaborate" with us by e.g. lining up to apply for a job with the new Iraqi police force. It is less clear that this faction is just interested in killing innocents, fomenting "instability", etc. More likely that what they want is their Power back. And (it's not much of a leap to think) whatever leaders they have probably perceive reasonably accurately the political ramifications of the "WMD" question.

In other words: since they want the Americans out and their cushy lifestyle and Power back, they ARE subject to deterrence (according to this theory). Proving the US's "WMD" line and validating Bush/Cheney would go against what they are trying to accomplish, which is not primarily to kill lots of people, but to get power back.

Again, it's true that the FAQIRs are just there to (according to their typical brilliant strategizing) cause death, death, and more death till the Crusaders leave. But one (hopefully) wouldn't expect them, or their friends the SHTs, to have gotten their hands on the "WMD" in the first place (the foiled Jordan attack notwithstanding; of course, presumably those CWs were funneled to AQ from Syria).

One would expect Saddam's old "WMD", if there really were any, to have fallen into the hands of his trusted deputies and underlings upon his fall - and thus to be controlled by someone of the "BCH" faction. The Baathists want the Americans out every bit as much as the FAQIRs do, of course, but they certainly know that's not going to happen if Bush gets handed "Saddam had WMD after all!" on a silver platter. (Meanwhile the FAQIRs wouldn't care much, because they're just there to kill people until Iraq is integrated into the Caliphate one way or another....)

At any rate, it wouldn't be entirely unreasonable for the American powers that be to *assume* all of this. (That 1. some of the "WMDs" fell into the hands of some "insurgent" faction and 2. that faction is currently deterred from using them for the political reason that they'd hate to prove the US was Right To Invade.) Which would be, therefore, a plausible motive for the Americans to intentionally disavow and back away from any and all definitive "WMD Found!" announcements.

Of course, as it stands it's still only a theory, I'm not here saying I think it's definitely true. But it *is* something I'd never considered before and I don't think it can be easily dismissed - and as of now it does seem to fit all the facts as we know them (or at least as *I* know them, from my shallow analysis and sporadic reading on the subject :). Obviously, the jury's still out and we may not really get these matters cleared up in any satisfactory way for many years, if ever. But I do welcome and appreciate little flashes of insight such as spiff's, which may make these issues at least a bit more understandable.

105 posted on 04/26/2004 2:04:22 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Lando Lincoln
bump for later read.
106 posted on 04/26/2004 2:11:14 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (President Bush on terrorists: "I'm tired of swatting at flies!")
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To: RetiredArmy
But they did not have enough translators to go through all the documents and then the scientist....
107 posted on 04/26/2004 2:16:11 PM PDT by Milligan
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To: rwfromkansas
I know I haven't cleaned out my frig for awhile and I have many moldy things, but how many people have strains of bottled botulism, brucella, congo-crimean hemorrhagie fever lurking in their frig? Starter kits for disaster? Just start off with a tablespoon.
108 posted on 04/26/2004 2:20:39 PM PDT by Milligan
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To: Lando Lincoln
Mark for later
109 posted on 04/26/2004 2:27:11 PM PDT by clyde260 (Public Enemy #1: Network News)
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To: Milligan
And Wolf said, and Peter said, and Dan Blather said, and Aaron said, and Diane Sawyer said, and Opra said, and Algore said, and JFK said, and and and and and, oh it is such a mess!
110 posted on 04/26/2004 2:29:30 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American Way! Toby Keith)
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To: WOSG
It would be criminally negligent to let the 'where are the WMDs?' line go unanswered for a *year*.

The situation seems to be that WMDs are addressed all the time, but the media doesn't seem to care to make this a major story. I can think of a number of reasons why the Bush administration has not pushed the issue, however they have provided as much information as possible all along. So they are not criminally negligent in their disclosure. Apparently there is much more investigation require - perhaps ties to the oil-for-food program, a Syrian connection, etc. There are a lot of loose ends. Plus, and I hate to say this, we may not be equipped to handle the situation if the WMDs when to Syria or Iran. The latter I would consider potentially negligent if anything comes of the WMDs or we do not ultimately resolve the problem.

111 posted on 04/26/2004 2:35:33 PM PDT by PattonReincarnated (Rebuild the Temple)
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To: Jonx6
ping
112 posted on 04/26/2004 2:38:09 PM PDT by TXFireman
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To: Dr. Frank fan
Thank you for fleshing out my thoughts. That is exactly what I had in mind. Actually since my boy got back from there I have had a bit more info that what is publicly known. However, it is mostly from what he doesn't say or won't talk about.

The best data to date is that Bush won't say they have not been found, only that we may yet find them. He won't lie but he will certainly NOT risk soldiers or innocents to make a political point.
113 posted on 04/26/2004 2:44:58 PM PDT by spaceman spiff (Don't anthropomorphize computers. They don't appreciate it.)
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To: Lando Lincoln; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; ...
War JUSTIFIED. Will the press report this?
114 posted on 04/26/2004 2:46:51 PM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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To: narses
bttt
115 posted on 04/26/2004 2:49:35 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Lando Lincoln; knighthawk; PhiKapMom; My2Cents; Howlin; onyx; Tamsey
I firmly believe that if the "Oil for Food" scandal is investigated to its complete conclusion, it will reveal that the UN weapons inspections were also compromised by payoffs.

I have no doubt about this whatsoever. The answer to what happened to the WMD is inextricably tied to the oil-for-food scam. At least one of three things happened (if not a combination):

If the latter is true — and I suspect it may be — it is by far the worst of the three scenarios. If true, they knowingly allowed the Iraqi people to suffer, starve, and be bombed almost daily in the no-fly zones — and they knowingly fed false intelligence to the U.S., Great Britain and others in order to keep up the oil-for-food rationale.

This third scenario fully explains the apparant desperation on the part of Annan, Chirac, and Putin to try to prevent our invasion, and it explains why Hussein seemed to entirely misread the resolve of Bush and Blair. It also explains how someone like Scott Ritter could vehemently insist that Iraq had WMD one day, then turn on a dime and insist they didn't — too late for anyone to believe him.

116 posted on 04/26/2004 2:51:15 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Our place in this war? On the political front lines, as our Armed Forces fight on the battle lines.)
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To: nopardons
bttta
117 posted on 04/26/2004 2:54:30 PM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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To: MizSterious
Nevertheless, it leaves me wondering: why the heck isn't the Bush admin out there making this point?

Good question. Of course, we can only speculate as to the answer. My take is that there already is an awful lot on the administration's plate. Right now, the UN is a useful tool for legitimizing the new Iraqi government and upcoming elections. I think the President is trying to focus on the sovereignty hand-over in Juse, and is trying to keep a lid on the whole mess until after our own election. If my speculation is accurate, I don't agree with this approach. Better to let the whole putrid mess blow sky high.

118 posted on 04/26/2004 2:57:21 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Our place in this war? On the political front lines, as our Armed Forces fight on the battle lines.)
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To: Wolfstar
If the latter is true — and I suspect it may be — it is by far the worst of the three scenarios. If true, they knowingly allowed the Iraqi people to suffer, starve, and be bombed almost daily in the no-fly zones — and they knowingly fed false intelligence to the U.S., Great Britain and others in order to keep up the oil-for-food rationale. This third scenario fully explains the apparent desperation on the part of Annan, Chirac, and Putin to try to prevent our invasion, and it explains why Hussein seemed to entirely misread the resolve of Bush and Blair.

I believe there will be WMD's found as if that were the only rational to go to war with a totally rougue regime.

This is great stuff and explains Hans Blix and his book tour and mouthing off, but very similar to the Dick Clarke phenomenon.

119 posted on 04/26/2004 3:02:48 PM PDT by Helms (You make me learn by rote 6,666 verses of the Koran and I may kill you too, Allah be praised.)
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To: Wolfstar
WS, this is an excellent rundown of possibilities. Frankly, this is the most plausible explanation I've yet read about what happened to the WMDs and why. It makes perfect sense -- the UN dragging its feet, the almost insane resistence of France and Germany to our move toward war, Scott Ritter's hysteria, the "here-one-day/gone-the-next" nature of the WMDs themselves. It all fits your scenario.

It would be delicious to be able to finally conclude that Saddam's WMDs were a ploy in the Oil-for-Food scam, as it would humiliate the European apologists of Saddam (and probably bring down Schroeder's and Chirac's governments), and it could mean the end of the UN.

120 posted on 04/26/2004 3:04:04 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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