[Pukin Dog]

Rule Number One: When you send in the United States Armed Forces, send them in with a clear objective and no holds barred to win. Otherwise do not send them into harm's way.

I asked you on another thread to define winning. The objective is NOT a military victory, it is a political (Iraqi Democracy) victory. You need to allow that little fact into your considerations. There are no holds on our Military. The objective is to get rid of insurgents. It is NOT to level a city, kill civilians or look tough.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were shots across the Japanese bow, to break their will to fight, saving American lives in the process. We saved many more Japanese citizens through those actions than most realize. We would have had to kill half that nation in a full scale invasion, with tens of thousand dead Americans. Your perspective is really warped.

[jocko12]

WHIMP.

[threat matrix]

Syria and Iran are sure cruising fast to get their 'fight to the death' that they so badly want..

[af_vet_1981]

I asked you on another thread to define winning.

I answered you. Perhaps you were in a hurry to watch NASCAR. I defined winning as when none take up arms against us. Kill them until they stop. Whatever it takes. Just like WWII.

The objective is NOT a military victory, ...

Well there you have it, the kernel of truth in your perspective. I really would not have minded a victory in Vietnam. I don't respect those who spend our men's lives knowing they are not seeking a military victory.

[FightThePower!]

"Hiroshima and Nagasaki were shots across the Japanese bow, to break their will to fight, saving American lives in the process. We saved many more Japanese citizens through those actions than most realize. We would have had to kill half that nation in a full scale invasion, with tens of thousand dead Americans. Your perspective is really warped."

The reason Japan is a successful democracy is that we totally broke them down. They had no choice--our way or death. Until we do that in Iraq, there will never be a successful democracy. You couldn't be more wrong.