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To: Burkeman1
You really don't think part of the Muslim world is not a threat to on non-muslim lives? Why? Arafat himself has said there is no such thing as peace only temporary cease fire.

No. The Muslim extremist are as evil as the Nazis. They want to destroy people they have deemed as "evil".

What they "manufacture" is hate and and the commodity they use is human life.

It's a far different war than America has ever seen before but we are still at war.

Why do you chose to ignore the constant Muslim drumbeat "Death to infidels" Were you in a comma on 9-11? If not what color is your wifes burka?

They are the enemy. We are at war.

I think it was P. J. O'Rouke that said something like you can bury your head in the sand, put a burka on your butt and they will still kill you.

Again we are at war with an enemy that has no problem with wiping out the innocent. That's about as evil as you can get.

It had nothing to do with fricken oil, it had everything to do with fighting for our lives

24 posted on 04/24/2004 8:39:59 PM PDT by lizma
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To: lizma; vanmorrison; schu; Pontiac; Burkeman1; Unam Sanctam; Miss Marple; nopardons; MinuteGal; ...
They are the enemy. We are at war.

I think it was P. J. O'Rouke that said something like you can bury your head in the sand, put a burka on your butt and they will still kill you.

Again we are at war with an enemy that has no problem with wiping out the innocent. That's about as evil as you can get.

It had nothing to do with fricken oil, it had everything to do with fighting for our lives

Very well stated, lizma.

vanmorrison #26: Great post - those who don't realize that the IslamoFascists wish to kill them, too, and remain unwilling to challenge them in every way we can, have a death wish for themselves, their family, and my family, too.

schu (#28): Not only do the IslamoFascists know they can not defeat us militarily, they realize that there is great likelihood that they never will be able to do so. That culture can not support such innovation and the proven US command/control of a military to challenge us.

If they have a hope to defeat us, it must be in the same method as the Germanic barbarians, as Pontiac (#31) wrote. They do not have to be any MORE coordinated than those barbarians were in order to defeat Western civilization, but IN FACT THEY ARE. Their rejection of the moral foundation of this civilization gives them a deceptiveness we are not mentally prepared to deal with. They are a most formidible enemy, and the most dangerous outside threat to the progress of mankind in thousands of years. To defeat them, we will have to use every method that has been learned from history, and not shirk when necessary to apply those methods. That is not to say I presently believe "nuke 'em" is the proper approach: I am willing to defer to Rummy, Blair, Bush, etc (those who realize we must defeat them) in hammering out the most effective methods.

Burkeman is right insofar that we must "contain, preserve and renew"... We MUST reverse the cultural decay of Western Civilization in order to win this war. That decay is the one area which the Islamofascists can point to and credibly gain debate points. To reverse that decay, we must defeat liberalism and socialism on every front. He misreads US policy as "empire building", when it is actually, on clear analysis, simple self-preservation. I respect the desire of some people to ignore mosquitoes, and avoid killing them, but if we let them drink our blood untouched until there is a critical, overwhelming mass, we'll eventually die.

I repeat, we must reverse the cultural decay of the West to prevail. Among other things, the overly "tolerant" and "compassionate" views of the "subjective morality" crowd are incredibly destructive to human society. Burke: I submit that the withdrawal you propose from our responsibility to the rest of the world in waging this battle is also part of that cultural decay, though I certainly sympathize with that desire.

We won't know for many years the outcome of this attempt to restrain the IslamoFascists, and to redirect the course of the independent nations comprising the MidEast (and elsewhere). It is easily predictable that Steyn is correct if we don't make these attempts.

I'm over 50, and have been blessed with the protections of our Western life. My daughter is seven: I cringe for her future, as well as for the rest of the world, are we not able to prevail in this War FOR Civilization.

47 posted on 04/25/2004 10:21:50 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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