Gay refugee claimants seeking haven in Canada

The Globe and Mail ^ | April 24, 2004 | MARINA JIMENEZ

[victoryatallcosts]

Here's what's coming next, if the US doesn't manage to purge itself of this corruptive influence.

[Loyalist]

Immigration and Refugee Board members ask claimants what day the Gay Pride parade was on, where the gay bars in Toronto are located and whether they were in a relationship

Anyone can find the answers in five minutes on Google. The only test they can't beat is the broomstick test.

[proxy_user]

"Armando Ramos, spokesman for the Mexican consul in Toronto, says he has met many Mexican men who told him they lied about their sexual orientation to make refugee claims in Canada. "They are clearly taking advantage of the system, and giving Mexico a bad name," he said.

Yeah, phony homosexuals, that would do it.

Never mind all the other stuff that goes on in Mexico....

[risk]

Kandahar Taliban Canada: everyone is welcome!

[yankeedame]

Boy, o boy, o boy....if you thought Canadian health care was just ducky now wait till the "alternative life-stylers" start turning up at ERs and clinics....and as "More money of AIDS" lobbyists in Parliment.

"Look down - look down
That lonesome road
Before you travel on

Look up - look up
And seek your Maker
Before Gabriel blows his horn"

[montag813]

For a case to succeed, the person must first convince an IRB panel they are homosexual

How exactly do they do that? By singing "Easter Parade" in their best Judy Garland? Or just bending over?

[Clemenza]

concluding that homosexuals do not face persecution in Costa Rica.

Correct. Costa Rica has a large Gay scene, including Gay hotels and clubs. I have a friend who worked in the travel industry down there and told me that Gays typically congregated wherever there was a large contingent of foreign men.

Most Latin American countries (with the exception of Cuba) have visible gay communities, especially in the larger cities.

[FormerLib]

Any chance we can send all of ours up there?

[victoryatallcosts]

Only when I get down to you folks.

[Democratshavenobrains]

Hell, if I lived in Mexico, I'd lie about being gay too, just to get out of there.

[RichInOC]

"Oh, Ahhhhh'm a lumberjack and I'm okay,
"I sleep all night and I work all day."
"Heeeeee's a lumberjack and he's okay,
"He sleeps all night and he works all day."

[xm177e2]

The one on the right, that's not a turban, it's a halo! Who does it remind you of? I'm not sure, but I think it's Him.

[ionian]

They prove they are homos by answering to questions? This is pure nonsense. There is only one way to prove that. Applicants should do it, and do it well, in bed, while Canadian experts, possibly sexologists, watch and write a report. Then a committee of specialists will watch a video recording with the intercourse and decide whether the person is really a homo or pretends or managed to have an erection through pharmaceutical aids.

[little jeremiah]

Homosexual Agenda Ping + Is This What the Statue of Liberty is for Alert?

(Of course, that poem and about give me your downtrodden etc was written by an avowed communist, IIRC.)

I think the only way to stop the onslaught of the homosexual neo-terroristic takeover of society is for them to go back in the closet. See, folks, they don't want it to stop, until sodomy is performed in public, on the streets, in the schools, on the mags at the grocery store, and with your children. They want to eliminate the age of consent!

Is this the homo-erotic (and who knows what else) world you want for your children and grandchildren? These people are mentally ill, and combine that with intense anger and aggression, and the result is a culture war. It's not only homosexuals, it's a continuum, but the homosexual activists and extremists (and how many of their "community" protest against the extremists??) exemplify the spearhead, so to speak.

It's a war, and appeasement has gotten us to where we are today.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this vital pinglist.

[scripter]

[homosexuals] are mentally ill.

That's what science tells us. The major factor in determining homosexuality is environment and more and more homosexuals are getting help and leaving the lifestyle.

It would be foolish to base rights on a behavior, and a behavior that can change.

[little jeremiah]

You are totally right! THat's why homosexuals and their supporters in the media and elsewhere hate it when their actualy BEHAVIOR is brought into the argument. They cling to the phony concepts of "community" and "identity", pretending that homosexuality is an innate condition like race or ethnicity that cannot change.

The terrible thing is that young people who experiment with or get seduced into same sex behavior then think they "are gay" and can never change. Their lives are ruined, and they have a high rate of depressiona and numerous other ills. THAT is a tragedy. And the media refuses to tell the truth, that people don't HAVE to be "gay".

[ionian]

The idea imposed to teens and children that homosexuality is a "sexual preference" or a "choice" just like when you like blonds, orientals, light built etc, and not a perversion drives many young people to homosexuality. It is a crime against society.
But, don't you think that sexual deprivation and the scientifically and practically unfounded theory than people can stay without sex for long periods, the so called abstention theory may drive people esp. teens to homosexuality?

[little jeremiah]

Nope. Human beings are more than animals. During mating season, animals in rut or heat have no choice but to find another animal to mate with. Humans have a modicum of will, and make choices about whether to use their sex organs or not. Obviously, chastity is harder for some than for others. There are methods which can make sexual abstinence easier or harder. Meditating on pornography (soft or hard) is a good way to make abstinence impossible!

Postponing marriage until the late 20's or 30's is not historically viable. One current problem is that marriage, chastity, faithfulness and loyalty are not promoted in society as admirable or the cultural standard. Sexual libertinism is touted as the "modern" and "enlightened" behavior model. If young people had a cultural standard of chastity until marriage and faithfulness during marriage that they were expected to live up to, a lot more of them would live up to it.

If instead they are told that it is perfectly normal and in fact inevitable that they should act like sluts or animals in heat, many will do just that.

[ionian]

1) Just because we support President Bush, it does not necessarily mean that we all agree in everything he says. There is democracy within neo-conservatism you know.
2) As you say, people do not make sex like animals. They make choices, the develop preferences, elegance and erotic culture, they can be in love before, or develop love after, having sex. I do not understand why they should wait until marriage to apply all these wonderful human values. On the other hand, there are married people who have sex without the above prerequisites, in fact just like sluts as you say.
3) If I understand well, you claim that abstinence is a good thing for else people will drive themselves to promiscuity. This is true for people without elegance and culture. But not all people are like that. We have then to develop erotic culture and elegance in school, family, society just like French for instance, try to do?
4) Or your analysis is not sociological and you simply claim that sex before the ceremony of marriage is immoral. Who says? Obviously this is an axiom based on some religious believes. US is a secular State. You cannot impose religious believes in a country where religious freedom is constitutionally guaranteed.
5) I suppose Christian ideas are hidden behind your insistent position on that matter. Please note that many Christian denominations notably European Protestant and Orthodox Churches are not of the same opinion. Vatican would agree with you, but when it comes to the majority of practicing Catholics themselves, they do not believe and do not practice what the Pope says in most Catholic countries in Europe or Latin America. Furthermore, many Christian believers in the US would not agree with you. You cannot impose to the rest of the people, notably to the rest of the Christians, the doctrines of your denomination.
6) You are against "soft pornography" . I am not quite sure what this term means. Are you against nudity? An elegant nude photo is condemnable to you because it may stimulate and then stimulation may drive to promiscuity? So you are against erotic stimulation? But someone does not have to see nude photos to get stimulated. It happens all the time, especially in summer time, not only on the beach, but also in town. Boys and girls dress sexy and show the qualities of their body and face, this is part of western culture. If you are against stimulation why don't you adopt the Taliban system in which every and all parts of the body are covered?
Little Jeremiah, I am afraid you forget we live in the WEST not in an Islamic country, and WE ARE PROUD OF IT! And we want to keep it like this.