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Iraq: Poles waver
The Australian ^ | April 23, 2004 | The Australian

Posted on 04/23/2004 11:43:42 AM PDT by churchillbuff

US losing face as Poles waver From agency correspondents in Washington and Baghdad April 23, 2004 PENTAGON chiefs are drawing up emergency plans for more troops and money in Iraq as the US-led coalition continues to splinter in the face of insurgent violence.

Poland sent mixed signals about its troop commitment yesterday after the Dominican Republic followed Spain and Honduras in announcing that it would withdraw its troops from the country.

Wednesday's co-ordinated car bombings in the southern city of Basra rocked the coalition because the British-controlled south had been an area of relative calm.

The toll from the attack rose from 68 to 73, including at least 20 schoolchildren, yesterday after five of the wounded died. Some coalition officials said the attacks bore the hallmarks of al-Qa'ida.

"This is a serious situation," General Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the US Congress yesterday. "We're at war. We have a lot at stake against these extremists in Iraq."

General Myers gave one of the most candid official assessments yet of events in Iraq, marking a further turn from the Bush administration's stance that a smaller US force coupled with Iraqi security forces could secure the country.

He said General John Abizaid, commander of US forces in Iraq, was assessing what additional forces might be needed on top of the 135,000 US troops already there.

US troops this month have endured the worst casualties of the year-old campaign, with 100 killed. More than 700 have died since the war began.

General Myers also revealed that the cost of the war had increased to $US4.7 billion ($6.44 billion) a month.

British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said last night he expected the UN Security Council to approve a new resolution for Iraq in May.

The surge in violence has come at a political cost to the Bush administration, with hawkish Republicans calling for the head of Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

One influential Republican senator has even urged the White House to consider reinstating the draft.

Secretary of State Colin Powell and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice have spent the past two days phoning coalition partners to check their commitment. Britain, Poland, Japan, Italy and Portugal all remained strong, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

But there is doubt about Poland's commitment after Leszek Miller, the outgoing Prime Minister, suggested the Government was having second thoughts. "We cannot turn a blind eye to the fact that Spain and others are leaving Iraq," he said.

Honduras, with 360 troops, and the Dominican Republic, with 300, exploited Spain's decision to withdraw its 1300 troops to make their own moves. Both Britain and Australia, with 7500 and 800 troops in Iraq respectively, have vowed to stay the course - but have not offered more personnel.

As a result the Pentagon is drawing up contingency plans to either maintain US forces in Iraq at 135,000 or to increase numbers over the northern summer. Many families are unhappy that 20,000 troops due home this month have had duties extended by 90 days.

But US President George W.Bush said yesterday: "The Iraqi people are looking at America and saying are we going to cut and run again? We're not going to cut and run if I'm in the Oval Office. We will do our job,"


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: iraq; iraqicoalition; poland; tabloid
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To: churchillbuff
"The Australian is a national daily broadsheet newspaper published by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation. Headquartered in Sydney, but with bureaus around Australia, it was founded in 1964, famously losing money for nearly thirty years.

"The Australian treads the Murdoch editorial line on most issues, in favour of free-trade economic policy and, particularly, relaxed regulation of the media sector, a realpolitik approach to foreign policy, and, unlike its downmarket stablemates, a reasonably liberal approach on social issues. It has a particular focus on foreign news and especially Australia's immediate neighbours in South-East Asia."


21 posted on 04/24/2004 7:19:01 AM PDT by TaxRelief (We're sitting in traffic so *they* can fund their Public Transportation Utopia.)
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To: bogdanPolska12
PING! (Here we go, again!)
22 posted on 04/24/2004 7:22:36 AM PDT by TaxRelief (We're sitting in traffic so *they* can fund their Public Transportation Utopia.)
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To: Threepwood
Remember the Shiites are predominant in Iran. Allowing the Shiites to take Iraq would then put Iran in charge. And Iran would move on Saudi Arabia instantly. We need to change our tactics.

Fire and Movement. Moab here Moab there. Hit Syria and Iran with a couple of these and they will see the negatives of going against US. Every dead American, 7000 dead Syrians or Iranians.
If they don't let our inspectors in like in Lybia. Tell them we will Nuke em all. If they call our bluff, pooof.

Pakistan next. Give up your nukes or get nuked. poooof.

We don't have time to play cause once these radical muslim scum get nukes - we are the ones that are going to go poooof.
23 posted on 04/24/2004 7:24:52 AM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: oceanview
We may have alot of gang members in Los Angeles but we can't Moab LA. We can MOAB Fallujah. 3 weeks now with nothing but talk.

Lets remember Fallujah is were they baked mutilated and hung 4 Americans.

Everyday is money in the bank for the enemy. They get better armament:
"Elsewhere, five U.S. soldiers were killed and six wounded Saturday morning in a rocket attack north of Baghdad, a senior coalition official told CNN."

This is what is awaiting us. No enemy casualties. 5 dead Americans and 6 more wounded. Why?

Attack with everything you got or get everything you got out.
24 posted on 04/24/2004 8:15:46 AM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: monday
Iraqi's don't want freedom and democracy. They want Islamic law, and an Islamic state.

Correction. The Iraqi Bourgeoisie does not want freedom and democracy.

Thousands of Iraqis, who were previously members of Hussein's broad ruling structure and personality cult, are currently unemployed or no longer part of local control.

Obviously, they support a religious totalitarian government. It's the only way that they can keep control of the Islamic social structure--control, by the way, which includes annihilation of all non-islamic peoples and suppression of the masses (women, children, non-Muslims, non-Orthodox Muslims and men who do not "toe the line").

25 posted on 04/24/2004 8:20:50 AM PDT by TaxRelief (We're sitting in traffic so *they* can fund their Public Transportation Utopia.)
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To: TaxRelief; All; Ragtime Cowgirl; MeekOneGOP; MJY1288; Grampa Dave; knighthawk; kaiser80; SAMWolf; ..

Thank Tax for a ping.

 

Ok, let me put a record straight here - WE ARE NOT WAVING, OR MOVING AWAY, ONCE AGAIN, MEDIA SHOT THE HELL UP AND STOP SPREADING STUPID NONSENSE!!!!!!!!. 

 

We have responsibility over 9500 coalition forces, and we don not, and I repeat do not abandon our allies, it is total horseshit coming from the media.

 

We have Honor, dignity and obligation and that will be fulfilled with outmost respect.  Adding more troops in Iraq, has nothing to do with Poland - media better get their facts straight.

 

We will not cut and run, we there because we were approach by our ally USA to help them, and that is what we intend to do. 

 

I don’t know how many times I have to type reaffirmation of my country strong friendship with USA and that we are not going anywhere till job is done.  Demit,  stop listening to media bs, and look beyond what they say.


26 posted on 04/24/2004 10:24:06 AM PDT by bogdanPolska12
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To: monday
"Iraqi's don't want freedom and democracy. They want Islamic law, and an Islamic state. America not only stands in their way, but represents everything they hate. Not only was their ingratitude comprehensible, it was virtually guaranteed. If you think Iraqi's deserve any better than Saddam Hussien you are delusional."

Do you really believe the drivel you spew or are you just playing Devil's Advocat??...You equate a few thousand??..hundred thousand??...Iraqi's whom support Al Sadr as the Iraqi nation as a whole....quite a few million Iraqi's in the north would just as like to see Sadr dead as same as the few million Iraqi's in the center of iraq would like to see Sadr dead....I don't see 15 million Iraqi's on the news uprising against us but only a few clashes of some hardcore killers....take a chill pill and get some sleep....you'll feel better....
27 posted on 04/24/2004 10:38:00 AM PDT by Getsmart64 (LANTIRN - Designed to kill, maim, and destroy ....America's enemies...)
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To: TomasUSMC
Tom we are not going away, nor we are waving white flag. It is total stupidity on media part. They do not understand us, we are the people who have Honor, Dignity and job to do and we will do it.
28 posted on 04/24/2004 11:15:12 AM PDT by bogdanPolska12
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To: bogdanPolska12

29 posted on 04/24/2004 11:48:24 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (The Democrats say they believe in CHOICE. I have chosen to vote STRAIGHT TICKET GOP for years!)
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To: TomasUSMC
I don't believe there is anything getting into that portion of Fallujah in the form of re-inforcements or new arms.

that rocket attack, any news where they were launched from? I wonder if those rockets cam from syria.
31 posted on 04/24/2004 12:54:26 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Matthew Paul; bogdanPolska12
Hello Matt, we know where your heart is. The US really does need to start fighting tougher, we need to be less concerned about the rest of the world and hit these terrorists in Iraq hard. We have waited too long outside Fallujah. Damn the politicians and pray for our troops.
33 posted on 04/24/2004 1:47:16 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Matthew Paul
Jacek used to write one of most amazing poems.

Spoczywaj w pokoju Jacek!!! O Boze moj, tracimy coraz wiecej naszych najlepszych z dawnych dni.
35 posted on 04/24/2004 2:32:19 PM PDT by bogdanPolska12
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To: monday
Iraqi's don't want freedom and democracy. They want Islamic law, and an Islamic state. ===

It is thier understanding of "freedom and democracy". If you were at any muslim country you may see that.
I was many time in Uzbekistan. I know thier set of thinkings.
Shariah is thier democracy. They feel good under it.
37 posted on 04/24/2004 3:40:51 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: Matthew Paul
Today Polish forces were fighting in Karbalah. In a fierce fighting they killed at
least 5 Iraqi terrorists, wounded many more with no losses on our side.
Actually, there hasn't been a single day without combat scenes with Polish soldiers recently.


Thanks for the reports.
Our "free" press (mainstream media) is doing Isvestia and Pravda proud with their
reporting about the Coalition.
Our deviant journalists (too many of the total) simply report with barely subdued
glee the death of Coalition soldiers and nearly have sexual ecstasy in their
voices when a partner like Spain announces their effeminant retreat.

I swear all the reporters and editors of Isvestia/Pravda are now at The New York Times,
The Washington Post, LA Times and our major TV news operations (except FOX is
not yet fully over-run).
38 posted on 04/24/2004 4:22:38 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Matthew Paul; TomasUSMC; bogdanPolska12; snippy_about_it
"Damn the politicians and pray for our troops."

I agree with ThomasUSMC. I have complete faith in our troops but it seems to me the political will to do what is necessary is once again lacking. The incident with the sailors being lost and injured if the ROE was "COme into the restricted zone" and your boat WILL be fired on and sunk, we'll investigate later." IMHO, those losses and injuries to our troops where totally avoidable.

Anyone not wearing a uniform and carrying an military weapon should be shot on sight. Everytime these clowns are in the street waving their RPG's and AK's an air/artillery/gunship strike should be targetd on them, fire comes from a house the house gets a laser guided munition through the door.

If we're there to beat the Islamofacists, then lets let the military get serious about it.

39 posted on 04/24/2004 4:36:51 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Stress is when you wake up screaming & you realize you haven't fallen asleep yet.)
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To: Matthew Paul
Nie martw sie Maciej. Jeszcze troszke a ja bede razem z nimi.
40 posted on 04/24/2004 6:15:27 PM PDT by bogdanPolska12
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