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To: FL_engineer
I read post 82. I don't see any interpretation of it other than there are folks trying to use Terri because they are pissed at her husband. While he might be a turd, he is A) married to Terri and B)judgable by God only about this issue.

One thing I don't think anyone has considered is Terri's wishes. We don't know what Terri's wishes are. There is at least a equal probability that she asks God daily to take her home and out of her misery.

If she were in this fix in an earlier part of the century, she would have passed away already. Only our current high technology is keeping her here.

I used to think that those so passionate about Terri's life were afraid of state ordered death. I don't think that any longer. I think it's more hatred for Michael than love for Terri.

Sorry.

88 posted on 04/23/2004 12:27:49 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell
A feeding tube is high technology?
100 posted on 04/23/2004 1:50:27 PM PDT by pc93 (Please visit http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/terri_schindler_life_ribbon_campaign.htm)
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To: William Terrell
I used to think that those so passionate about Terri's life were afraid of state ordered death. I don't think that any longer. I think it's more hatred for Michael than love for Terri.

Terri symbolizes the terrible descent of morality going on in our society. The absolute devaluation of human life is now the norm, and we are marching towards a Godless, Fascist future if we don't stand up and say NO.

Terri represents all disabled human beings that for one reason or other, can't stick up for themselves. I got suckered into having a feeding tube inserted into my elderly mom several years ago. They lied to me, saying that they were worried about aspiration pneumonia. Being the dummy that I was, I agreed. Not only did they shirk their primary duty of getting her on her feet and walking after hip replacement surgery, they lied to me about other things too. I stayed with her every day, until I had to leave to pick my youngest kids up from school. I brought jars of #3 baby food, and spoon fed her. No problemo.

They called this "oral gratification", and if I EVER hear that term again I will be tempted to slap someone. A visiting therapist mistakingly had my mom brought to the soft feeding room, where she scarfed down a whole tray of fish, rice, and bread. The anger in the regular therapist's face told me to get her out of there. A Christian hospice sprung her late one evening soon after. That level of unprofessionalism was scary. She never had a problem eating anything that was put in front of her again. I should note that my mom had Alzheimer's and dementia, and was 82 when she passed away this September.

This is why I'm on Terri's side. She's younger than me for heaven's sake. I know God works miracles, and if He so chooses, he will work a miracle for Terri. This is exactly what Michael Schiavo is afraid of. I have had some experience in other aspects of this case, but that's my personal business.

You have your opinion, I have mine...

102 posted on 04/23/2004 2:33:27 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: William Terrell
There is at least a equal probability that she asks God daily to take her home and out of her misery.

You are stating your opinion as if it is fact.

There is [in YOUR opinion] at least a equal probability that she asks God daily to take her home and out of her misery.

There IS in MY opinion ZERO probability that she EVER told Michael she wished to DIE rather than have a feeding tube.

Your clever phraseology is partly based on Michael's EXTREME CRUELTY at the moment, NOT based on evidence that the two of them really HAD discussions of feeding tubes before 1990. Terri will be happy again, and will laugh at her dad's jokes again, and will enjoy her family's visits again, as soon as the 'investigation' is over.

We each have our own opinions, so lets leave it at that. I'm not interested in arguing with you, or convincing you any more. Good day.

104 posted on 04/23/2004 4:59:51 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: William Terrell
"One thing I don't think anyone has considered is Terri's wishes. We don't know what Terri's wishes are. There is at least a equal probability that she asks God daily to take her home and out of her misery."

They've been considered. See back threads. But let's just assume, for sake of argument, that we don't know her wishes are, and there's a 50-50 chance she wants to live or die. That means someone else has the responsibility to get it right, and pull the tube or not. If they leave it in, their action allows her to live. If they pull it out, their action makes her die. Now, suppose you are the person who must decide. What would you do? Remember - your premise is that we don't know what she wants, and, obiously, she can't tell us.

This brings us to the difference between Terri's supporters and Terri's opponents. Terri's supporters are people who will choose life by default. The others, are people who would choose to bring on death, also by default.

"If she were in this fix in an earlier part of the century, she would have passed away already. Only our current high technology is keeping her here."

Feeding tubes aren't exactly high tech, and they've been around a long time. Someone with expertise in them can probably point you to the right information. But so what if earlier she'd die, and now she wouldn't? We're just making progress. Just because something couldn't be treated earlier is no reason not to treat it now, is it? It used to be that many people died of infections that couldn't be treated effectively then, but are easy to treat now. If someone today gets one of those, should they refrain from getting it treated because their great-great-grandfather couldn't have gotten it treated? Would you?
119 posted on 04/24/2004 10:26:08 PM PDT by Wampus SC (Nightwatch Dogcatcher of Kookville)
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