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German-American Club Boots Out Holocaust Deniers
Israel National News (Arutz 7) ^ | Apr. 22, 2004

Posted on 04/22/2004 6:22:26 AM PDT by Alouette

(IsraelNN.com) The 150-year-old Turn Verein ("gymnastic club" in German) social club in Sacramento, California booted out a Holocaust-deniers conference that was to take place on its premises this coming weekend. The conference, organized under Walter Mueller's European American Culture Council, had to be cancelled.

Turn Verein spokespeople claim that they were unaware of the nature of the conference at the time the reservations were made. However, as soon as the matter was brought to their attention this week, Sacramento Turn Verein withdrew their agreement to host the 325-person anti-Semitic conference and returned the European American Culture Council deposit on the hall.

The club was started shortly after the Gold Rush by German and Swiss immigrants to America. Today, it has members of many faiths and extractions.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: germanamericans; holocaust; turnverein; zionist
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Where will they hold their conference now? Oh, I know, the local Islamic center
1 posted on 04/22/2004 6:22:28 AM PDT by Alouette
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2 posted on 04/22/2004 6:23:16 AM PDT by Alouette (Gaza -- Too small to be a country, too large to be an insane asylum)
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To: Alouette
They can do that? But but...that's not inclusive. Remove these people from the public square except to insult them until they allow holocaust deniers, suicide bombers, and cross-dressers into their group. Discrimination is against the California constitution you know.
3 posted on 04/22/2004 6:35:53 AM PDT by King Black Robe
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To: Alouette
In the 1930s, the Steuben Society (the leading German-American social organization) was approached by the German Nazi Party to spearhead American recruitment for their cause. The Steuben Society told them to take a hike. The Nazis then formed a new group, the German-American Bund.

When I lived on the upper east side of Manhattan, even though a Jew, I always attended the annual Steuben Day Parade on Fifth Ave. when I could. The evidence shows that the vast majority of German-Americans have always been Americans first.

4 posted on 04/22/2004 7:01:41 AM PDT by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: Alouette
Good show by the German club!!
5 posted on 04/22/2004 7:28:26 AM PDT by dennisw (GD is against Amalek for all generations)
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To: Alouette
Here's more on the story from yesterday's SacBee:

German club withdraws welcome mat

 

By Dorothy Korber -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PDT Wednesday, April 21, 2004

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When Walter Mueller's European American Culture Council wanted to schedule an April conference at Turn Verein in east Sacramento, no one saw the ticking bomb in the proposal.

A "culture council" sounded like a good tenant for the 150-year-old German-American social organization. So Turn Verein - German for "gymnastic club" - booked Mueller's meeting into its hall for this weekend, anticipating two days of scholarly talks and heavy meals.


What Turn Verein would be getting, it turned out, was a weekend of historical revisionism by Holocaust deniers, white nationalists and apologists for Adolf Hitler. The 2004 International Revisionist Conference was coming to Sacramento, Mueller's hometown.

Mueller contends that he did not hide the theme of the conference when he made the rental arrangements with the club's housemaster.

"Yes, I'm aware of the irony," Mueller said in an interview. "It's a German hall and we're holding a Holocaust denial conference there. We were surprised - absolutely - when they said yes."

But Turn Verein President Gert Samelin says he had no idea of the event's nature until he read about it last week in The Bee. Surrounded by his club trustees Tuesday morning, Samelin literally shuddered as he recounted his shock at the discovery.

"I said to myself: My gosh, what is an international revisionist conference? What are we getting into?" Samelin said. "This is nothing we want any part of. And this is six weeks before we celebrate the 150th anniversary of the Turn Verein!"

He said the club, started shortly after the Gold Rush by German and Swiss immigrants, takes no political positions and has members of many faiths. And, Samelin said, he personally has no doubt that the Holocaust happened.

"I was 10 years old when World War II ended, a child in Germany," he said. "I know these atrocities occurred."

Club trustees Norbert Duester and Erwin Zacharias nodded soberly. "We are not Nazis," said Duester, 75.

On Saturday, with the revisionist conference just a week away, Samelin consulted a lawyer, who advised him to void the contract on grounds that Mueller had misrepresented the nature of the meeting. Samelin sent a registered letter to Mueller.

Learning of Samelin's action, Mueller went online Tuesday to announce, "Jews force the Sacramento Turn Verein to cancel!" His Internet site states that Turn Verein "caved in to the massive pressure of the Jewish community."

Samelin, however, said he was not pressured by Jewish leaders - in fact, he called them to apologize for the situation.

Mueller says he is infuriated by the cancellation but has notified the 325 conference participants the event is off. He spoke Tuesday at his North Sacramento home, still decorated with dozens of Easter bunnies and pastel eggs.

"What are we, criminals?" asked Mueller, who is known in town as an activist and unabashed community provocateur. "Are we the scum of the earth? Turn Verein took our money; they cashed our checks. I made no secret of who we are."

Turn Verein did return the group's deposit.

But Mueller, a chef, was planning to cater the event himself. He's now stuck with gallons of chopped cabbage and 200 pounds of pork roast. He called Turn Verein's action a breach of contract that would cost him thousands of dollars.

But he said he is more outraged by what he sees as an abridgement of his free speech.

"What is this, Russia?" he demanded. "I think the First Amendment still applies here."

Samelin said he believes in the First Amendment: "That's one reason I came to America, and I'm glad for it. You can have free speech whenever you want - but not on the Turn Verein property."

Jewish community leaders said they are relieved that the conference will not be held here - especially after the 1999 firebombings that torched three local synagogues, said Len Feldman of the Sacramento Jewish Community Relations Council.

"The essence of it is that the Sacramento community - not just the Jewish community - has made it clear ... that racism and discrimination have no place in Sacramento at all," Feldman said.

"Still, in a funny way, it's important to have groups like Mr. Mueller's deny the murder of six million Jews and a million non-Jews, because it convinces the rest of us how vital it is to keep the memory of the Holocaust alive."

That sentiment extends beyond the Jewish community, said Dexter McNamara of the Interfaith Service Bureau.

"We need to build a community in which we respect each other," said McNamara, a Presbyterian minister, "which is the exact opposite of what this conference would have created."

 


About the Writer
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The Bee's Dorothy Korber can be reached at (916) 321-1061 or dkorber@sacbee.com.

6 posted on 04/22/2004 7:39:56 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw; Poohbah; veronica
Good work.

Don't give those [deleted to avoid a time-out] the time of day. Quite frankly, I kinda wish we could just let the JDL debate the Holocaust deniers.

I'm pretty sure it would be... interesting.
7 posted on 04/22/2004 7:47:09 AM PDT by hchutch (Tommy Thompson's ephedra ban STINKS.)
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To: hchutch
"I hate Illinois Nazis."
8 posted on 04/22/2004 8:44:04 AM PDT by Poohbah (Darkdrake Lives!)
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To: Pharmboy
They still have a bit of that waaaaaaaaay out on Long Island :( But then again, there are a few mental institutions located out there as well.
9 posted on 04/22/2004 8:45:47 AM PDT by cyborg (The 9-11 commission members have penis envy.)
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To: Alouette
Great and I hope the ACLU butts out.
10 posted on 04/22/2004 8:46:20 AM PDT by bmwcyle (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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To: Catspaw
"What are we, criminals?" asked Mueller, who is known in town as an activist and unabashed community provocateur. "Are we the scum of the earth?

No. You are what the scum sees when it looks down.

Eat sh*tcabbage and die.

11 posted on 04/22/2004 9:09:59 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("You guys must have had a big bowl of stupid this morning." --al baby)
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To: Alouette; hellinahandcart; NYC GOP Chick; cyborg; Salem
Y'know, it offends me that holocaust deniers have to use the term "European American."

I am of European American extraction (but American first) and have nothing in common with these sick, twisted pathetic individuals.

We should call them what they are. Bigots.

12 posted on 04/22/2004 9:27:38 AM PDT by sauropod ("How do you know he's a King?" "Because he doesn't have sh!t all over him.")
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To: Catspaw
He's now stuck with gallons of chopped cabbage and 200 pounds of pork roast.

Now the mosque won't host it either. Isn't that just too freaking bad!

13 posted on 04/22/2004 9:28:13 AM PDT by Alouette (Gaza -- Too small to be a country, too large to be an insane asylum)
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To: Catspaw
"I think the First Amendment still applies here."

NAZI buttmunch doesn't understand the 1A at all. It prohibits the Government to infringe free speech. Turn Verein is a private club, with the right to control the use of its property as it sees fit. Disinviting a bunch of totalitarian morons is a thoroughly appropriate exercise of that right.

"Still, in a funny way, it's important to have groups like Mr. Mueller's deny the murder of six million Jews and a million non-Jews, because it convinces the rest of us how vital it is to keep the memory of the Holocaust alive."

Somebody's denying the murder of about five million gentiles ... Kind of ironic that the denier is in the same breath condemning holocaust deniers.

14 posted on 04/22/2004 9:35:58 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: sauropod
These cream corn idiots mean... European-American Culture Council=Adolf Purebred Aryan Jew Gassing Culture.. and not the rebellious American muttly crew/extreme sarcasm intended
15 posted on 04/22/2004 9:50:19 AM PDT by cyborg (The 9-11 commission members have penis envy.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
He and the rest of the turds can stand on any street corner and scream "sieg heil" to their heart's content. That's an exercise of his First Amendment rights. Renting a hall from a private entity under what, at best, is disingenuous terms, is NOT the exercise of his First Amendment rights.
16 posted on 04/22/2004 9:59:37 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
I think we are in violent agreement on that point.
17 posted on 04/22/2004 10:03:06 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Alouette
*Now the mosque won't host it either. Isn't that just too freaking bad!*

Ha, ha, that's the first thing I thought, too, when I read that line.
18 posted on 04/22/2004 1:40:22 PM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.")
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To: sauropod
I am of European American extraction (but American first) and have nothing in common with these sick, twisted pathetic individuals.

Never thought you did. A sure sign of evil is that it disguises its real goals with euphemisms. ("Pro-Choice" and "Gun Control," anyone?)

19 posted on 04/22/2004 1:58:17 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("You guys must have had a big bowl of stupid this morning." --al baby)
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Holocaust Deniers Suffer Two Defeats
17:56 Apr 22, '04 / 1 Iyar 5764


Leading American weekly magazine The Nation has adopted a new policy of refusing to accept advertisements from Holocaust-deniers.


In response to a complaint by The David S. Wyman Institute for Holocaust Studies, leading American weekly magazine The Nation has adopted a new policy of refusing to accept advertisements from Holocaust-deniers.

Wyman Institute director Dr. Rafael Medoff praised the magazine for "its swift and decisive action to end its relationship with Holocaust-deniers. It has affirmed the principle that those who deny the Holocaust are fraudulent and hate-mongers who should be treated as pariahs by civilized society... Holocaust-deniers are not offering a legitimate alternative viewpoint. They are in the business of hate-mongering." Medoff noted The Nation's "proud history as one of the few prominent American publications to speak out, during the Holocaust, for the rescue of Jews from Hitler."

The Nation''s advertising spokesman explained, "[T]here is a strong presumption against censoring any advertisement, especially if we disagree with its politics. [Holocaust-denial], however, is different... The magazine has requested the advertiser, The Institute for Historical Review, not run advertising in future issues."

The Wyman Institute, located on the campus of Gratz College (near Philadelphia), is a research and education institute focusing on America's response to the Holocaust.

In other Holocaust-denial news in the U.S., the 150-year-old Turn Verein (German for "gymnastic club") social club in Sacramento, California booted out a Holocaust-deniers conference that was to take place on its premises this coming weekend. The conference was to be organized under Walter Mueller's European American Culture Council.

Turn Verein says it was unaware of the nature of the conference at the time the reservations were made, but when the matter was brought to its attention, it withdrew its consent to host the 325-person anti-Semitic conference. Turn Verein was started shortly after the Gold Rush in the mid-19th century by German and Swiss immigrants to America, and today has members of many faiths and extractions.

http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=61295
20 posted on 04/22/2004 5:08:38 PM PDT by yonif ("So perish all Thine enemies, O the Lord" - Judges 5:31)
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