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To: monday
Dignity and morality are relative things.

No, they aren't.

Some people would say that mowing yards or collecting trash are jobs below their dignity.

Some people are immorally proud. If you don't know the difference between dignity and pride you are ill equipped to engage in debate about morality.

What is moral ,sexually speaking, to a Sunday School Teacher is different than what is moral to a nudist.

And what is moral, pacifically speaking, to a Sunday School Teacher is different than what is moral to a serial killer. That line of thinking is stupid. It grants Hitler license to kill while it censors Gandhi from criticizing him. If you don't have a better argument than that you better do some more thinking before trying to duke it out on the internet.

76 posted on 04/22/2004 9:14:31 AM PDT by hopespringseternal (People should be banned for sophistry.)
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To: hopespringseternal
You said "And what is moral, pacifically speaking, to a Sunday School Teacher is different than what is moral to a serial killer. That line of thinking is stupid."

That is not my "line of thinking". Murder and nudity are not the same, and if you believe they are, then there is little point debating with you.

You said "Some people are immorally proud. If you don't know the difference between dignity and pride you are ill equipped to engage in debate about morality."

Let me propose a scenario. A young woman has a child to care for. Her husband has died. Her options are:

A. Work as a cashier for a grocery store five days a week, eight hours a day. She will make $300 a week, but will have to pay for day care, and will not be able to spend much time with her child.

or

B. Work as a stripper one night a week. She will make $1000 a week, will not have to pay for day care, only a baby sitter one night a week, and will be able to spend the rest of her time with her child.

Which option is better for the child? Which option is better for the mother? Which job would be beneath her dignity? Which job would be beneath her pride?

I know you have an answer which would be correct for YOU in this situation. You are not everyone though. People have different priorities. I could not condemn anyone for choosing either one over the other.

You can insist that YOUR morals are the only ones that are relevant and that anyone who dissagrees with you is wrong, but don't be surprised if most people ignore you.

You said "Some people are immorally proud."

I agree.
93 posted on 04/22/2004 10:02:28 AM PDT by monday
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