[monday]

You said "And what is moral, pacifically speaking, to a Sunday School Teacher is different than what is moral to a serial killer. That line of thinking is stupid."

That is not my "line of thinking". Murder and nudity are not the same, and if you believe they are, then there is little point debating with you.

You said "Some people are immorally proud. If you don't know the difference between dignity and pride you are ill equipped to engage in debate about morality."

Let me propose a scenario. A young woman has a child to care for. Her husband has died. Her options are:

A. Work as a cashier for a grocery store five days a week, eight hours a day. She will make $300 a week, but will have to pay for day care, and will not be able to spend much time with her child.

or

B. Work as a stripper one night a week. She will make $1000 a week, will not have to pay for day care, only a baby sitter one night a week, and will be able to spend the rest of her time with her child.

Which option is better for the child? Which option is better for the mother? Which job would be beneath her dignity? Which job would be beneath her pride?

I know you have an answer which would be correct for YOU in this situation. You are not everyone though. People have different priorities. I could not condemn anyone for choosing either one over the other.

You can insist that YOUR morals are the only ones that are relevant and that anyone who dissagrees with you is wrong, but don't be surprised if most people ignore you.

You said "Some people are immorally proud."

I agree.

[hopespringseternal]

That is not my "line of thinking". Murder and nudity are not the same, and if you believe they are, then there is little point debating with you.

You proposed a principal of moral relativism. For you to choose moral relativism for sexual matters but not for matters of violence is hypocritical. Either moral relativism works or it doesn't.

She will make $1000 a week

Wrong. That is what the manager of the strip club claims will happen. If it does, where are all the rich strippers? Why limit it to one night a week if it is such a wholesome activity?

Which option is better for the child? Which option is better for the mother?

Right out of "I learned all I need to know about strippers from Demi Moore."

You can insist that YOUR morals are the only ones that are relevant and that anyone who dissagrees with you is wrong,

But that is just the point. They aren't my morals any more than the air or the sea belongs to me. They just are, always have been and always will be. They apply to you no matter how loud you hum with your fingers in your ears.

Strip clubs are cesspools of crime, corruption, and exploitation, and I don't mean simply having dirty thoughts about naked girls. If you believe otherwise you aren't connected to reality. You have bought the whitewashed version peddled by the frauds on the nightly news.

Women who turn to stripping for a living find themselves immersed in a culture of prostitution and drugs. They usually get hooked on the drugs, wind up as prostitutes to make a little more to pay for the drugs, and end up dying at 35 on the streets, looking like they are 70. If they aren't murdered outright somewhere along the way.

The press loves to do their "college girls paying their way through school by stripping" story every now and then because it feeds their enlightened egotism. But it is just as fraudulent as their "tax cuts for the wealthy" mantra.