Man Trying To Buy Car Finds Out 9/11 Terrorist Took ID

KETV ^ | 4/21/04 | N/A

[A CA Guy]

Did he only want to know where the gas pedal was with no interest in braking?

[rolling_stone]

Lets see, have you gotten a passport recently or filed tax returns?

[Delta 21]

HA HA

[AntiGuv]

There was no SSN request on the last passport renewal form I filled out; yes, I pay all my taxes as required.

I'll be renewing my passport again later this year, hence the aforementioned need to divulge my SSN.... :(

[ladyinred]

It isn't that easy is it? You can't just ask for a new number when you already have one can you?

[AntiGuv]

This individual can. The vast majority can't. It's very rarely done (or doable). He should consult his local SSA office and find out the details.

[AntiGuv]

And when I say vast majority, I really mean vast majority - as in about 99.9996% cannot.

[EDINVA]

lol

[america-rules]

"My social security number is probably the most secure for any adult in the nation. I've managed to avoid disclosing but one time, ever: to get a driver's license. "

I bet you it's out there more then you think. Have you or your parents ever applied for any car, health or life insurance? Applied for any credit? Rented a house or apartment? Gotten a cell phone? Telephone? Have you ever worked or paid taxes?

[america-rules]

Passport ?

[AntiGuv]

Trust me, I know when I've given out my social security number and it is only in the one instance I specified. My parents have never known my SSN so I can't see how they're relevant..

[america-rules]

I own a financial business and we do several ID checks every day. I don't need any SSN just a name. Our database will bring you up along with any records where your SSN has ever been used since you turned 18. It's pretty scary what comes up and most people have no idea what's out there. It tells us info on all your records like all the cars you ever owned, every address you ever lived at since 18, gun records, your voting party, all your relatives and their info, if you have ever been arrested etc.. I showed it to an FBI Agent last week and he said it looks just like their database.

Just FYI: If you apply for a checking or savings account, stock account etc. you will be run through a check. We've been getting 3-4 stolen IDs per day lately so I recommend everyone get on one of those credit guard plans where they alert you if anyone checks your credit.

We're getting people now with 4-5 SS Numbers showing up with their name and they don't have a clue who they are.

[AntiGuv]

I realize all that. If you ran a check on my name you would get a defunct social security number which you would have no way of knowing is defunct. You may also conclude that I'm dead, which I'm reasonably confident is an incorrect assumption.. :D

[AntiGuv]

Oh, and if I have made it clear enough, I did live overseas for most of the past 15 years, which makes a huge difference insofar as the bureaucratic paper trail (as you can imagine). There are all kind of gray areas when it comes to expatriates; this happens to be one of them coinciding with an altogether unrelated set of near-singular circumstances that I alluded to above..

[PokeyJoe]

Nobody said it was easy, but then again - neither is the coordinated attack, by air piracy, on multiple targets within minutes of each other by clandestine terrorist cells.

---- unless you're Osama Bin Laden, and you have the financial resources to invest, and locate a company that does medical billing, and attracts offshore accounts.

Among bin Ladin’s numerous commercial interests are: a factory to process goat skins, a construction company, a bank, a sunflower plantation, and an import-export operation.

His construction company “el-Hijrah for Construction and Development Ltd.”--in partnership with the National Islamic Front and the Sudanese military--built the new airport at Port Sudan, as well as a 1200 km-long highway linking Khartoum to Port Sudan.

Another company reputed to be owned by bin Ladin is the “Wadi al-Aqiq” Company, an export-import firm. He also runs the Taba Investment Company Ltd. and the “el-Shamal Islamic Bank” in Khartoum, a joint effort with the NIF, in which bin Ladin is said to have invested $50 million.

A Bin Ladin fatwa, issued February 28, 1998, concluded with a plea to the faithful, "We – with God's help – call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it."

Put these facts together with the now disclosed fact with the use of SSN numbers (not for identify, but for coordinaiton tactics) and you have a way of embedding information inside normal business transactions that nobody would suspect as "terrorist related" through his many swiss holdings (swiss banks with swiss lawyers are still considered the safest way to move money for clandestine purposes).

And... he owns (or has a business with experience in) the import/export business.

Easy: no

Achievable: yes, case in point with SSN in hand of "mastermind" with selected target date as birthday.

[AntiGuv]

Oh, I have no doubt that it's achievable. For that matter, I mentioned a theoretic approach toward achieving it (the one instance where I divulged it; though I'm not completely sure it was actually recorded on anything at that time; it was just a personal ID requirement that someone glanced at to no obvious purpose) and then there's the SSA itself that has it, obviously.

What I made was a relative statement: that my SSN is "is probably the most secure for any adult in the nation".. In fact, if there were a way of proving it, I would bet you money that there is less record of my SSN anywhere than there is of that for any other living adult with a SSN. Wouldn't be shocked if I lost, but I think it'd be a damned good bet.

I almost wish I didn't mention it at all. I didn't realize it'd draw all this attention...

[AntiGuv]

BTW, you'd probably be shocked how many contexts there are in which if you say you can't remember your SSN (which in my case is certainly true) whoever it is that you're dealing with just shrugs it off, or asks for something alternative. My guess is that they usually just figure that you're an illegal....

[PokeyJoe]

hehehe.... don't take it personal brother. The attention is part of the fun that you get with posting opinions. =)

[AntiGuv]

LOL It's no biggie - I'm not upset at all. Just people keep asking me to remake the same basic point.

Here's the deal!

On the day I got my SSN in the mail, I opened the envelope and took a look just to make sure there was a number in there and not some other request for more info. Then I put it in a drawer.

I took the envelope out of that drawer and removed the card quite some while later when I was back in the States and had to go get an ID card. The DMV in that State required that you present your SSN card as proof of citizenship. Some dude glanced at it and then waved me over to some lady that proceeded with the application without asking for the SSN card again. Some long while after that the ID got exchanged for a DL and since then the DL has transferred through a couple other states and no one has ever asked for my SSN. I haven't a clue what identifier they're using! :)

When I got home, I put the card back in the envelope and have literally never even read the number since then until right about 20 minutes ago when I fished it out to make sure it was still there.. ;)

And that's the deal!

I realize that it's unusual but I didn't expect it'd pique that much interest. I guess I should've known, but I've never mentioned it to anyone before.

Yes, on a few occasions it's been a bit of a game to keep from having to divulge it but I've certainly done nothing illegal if that needs mentioning! The stars have aligned just right such that it all worked itself out this way.

[meatloaf]

You missed the point. The data was used by identity thieves to get credit cards issued. IF YOU HAVE EVER USED YOUR MOTHER'S ACTUAL MAIDEN NAME WHEN REQUESTED BY A COMPANY, YOU ARE VULNERABLE. If you haven't, but made up a name, the thieves have a much smaller chance of discovering the madeup name since it doesn't appear in the official SS# computer database.