Eagleburger's Wise Words (Time to take Kid Gloves off)

NewsMax.com ^ | 4/21/04 | Ed Koch

[Endeavor]

I heard this interview w/Eagleburger. He was nervous about saying what he said, but he had the guts to say it.

[nonomous]

No disagreement with Eagleburger.

>We were able to defeat Hitler and his cohorts because
>we recognized the terrible danger they posed and
>united against them.

Don't forget the powerful 'American First' movement, headlined by the most popular man in America during the 1930s, Charles Lindbergh. Lindbergh was giving 'non-intervention' speeches until war was declared. Unity didn't emerge until after Pearl Harbor.

[Mr. Mojo]

Obsessing about "winning hearts and minds" will be our grave -- it can never be done, and will only serve to embolden our enemies.

[Howlin]

And I love Ed Koch!

[AngieGOP]

I am all for separating their heads from their bodies. This is not time to coddle the enemy.

[Mr. Mojo]

Well, I will now make myself terribly unpopular, but there's going to have to be some killing. I don't know any other way to put this.

It's the only way to put it, Eagle.

[Mr. Mojo]

This is not time to coddle the enemy.

We coddle, we lose.

[AngieGOP]

Time to take off the velvet gloves and pound them witht he iron fists. The only thing these people understand is violence.

[FightThePower!]

I have said on this board before that I don't think we will win this war the way we are fighting it. We have not won a war (and a peace) since WWII. In every war since then we have been too afraid of what our enemy thinks of us to destroy them.

We won WWII because the country were totally defeated. The United States felt that our national survival was at stake, so we were willing to do what ever it took to win. Even if that meant bombing cities and killing thousands of civilians. We must completely defeat the Iraqi people's will to fight in the same way that we defeated the German people's will to fight. The only I can see for us to do that is to be willing to level a city if necessary. We are not willing to do that so I believe we can't win the peace.

[17th Miss Regt]

The only thing these people understand is violence.

There is a great deal of truth to this. The thing politicians must understand is that you don't just talk to these people. You communicate with them. And that means talking to them in a language they understand.

[WOSG]

Correction: We must completely defeat the *Jihadist/Baathist/Terrorist's* will to fight in the same way that we defeated the German people's will to fight.

[AngieGOP]

I wonder if they understand the language of Daisy Cutter or Moab?

[FightThePower!]

"Correction: We must completely defeat the *Jihadist/Baathist/Terrorist's* will to fight in the same way that we defeated the German people's will to fight."

The problem with that is we can't tell the difference between a normal Iraqi person and a Jihadist/Baathist/Terrorist's. In WWII we couldn't tell the difference between a Nazi and a German house wife, so we just killed them all--and we won.

[jmstein7]

BUMP!

[Paul_B]

Eagleburger was right on. I suspect he was nervous because he knows the "creative editing" power the press wields to make anyone who doesn't play ball with them out to be a nazi.

[17th Miss Regt]

I wonder if they understand the language of Daisy Cutter or Moab?

In the back of my bible is a map which locates the old land of Moab just east of the Dead Sea. Maybe the modern state of MOAB will be located in Iraq...

[17th Miss Regt]

Maybe they understand music. It is supposed to be a universal language. How about adapting an old Fleetwood's song...

"I'M MR. BLU-82...."

[WOSG]

"The problem with that is we can't tell the difference between a normal Iraqi person and a Jihadist/Baathist/Terrorist's. "

Yes, we can. Marines are doing it right now.

[meenie]

The initial justification for going into Iraq was protecting ourselves from WMD's. Then regime change became the vogue. After regime change, freedom and democracy became the latest craze. Now that we are being attacked, kill them all has to be the next step. What will follow kill them all? Does it occur to anyone that whereas we weren't being threatened with WMD's, a lot of expense and suffering could have been avoided if we had behaved ouselves and kept our troops in Afghanistan to mop up the Al Qaeda there and finished that job? Saddaam became the target of regime change because of his torture and killing of opponents of his regime.

This objective of regime change was realized and his capture was successful to end his era. Now that we have escalated the objective to freedom and democracy with resistance to our continued presence, we are supposed to kill them all. The objectives have run full circle with substituting Saddaam's methods as our own. This is getting ridiculous, either we get some sanity in our policies or we leave. Kill them all is not an option that many people could have on their conscience.