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Michigan City Council OKs Muslim Prayer Over Loudspeaker
Fox News website ^ | April 21 | Associated press

Posted on 04/21/2004 11:17:44 AM PDT by righteousindignation

Hamtramck,Mich.--Over some residents' objections, the City Council voted unanimously Tuesday night to allow a mosque to send out a call to prayer to Muslims on a loudspeaker....five times a day.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: muslimamericans; muslims
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To: antiRepublicrat
It can be, and is as practiced by some.

If you truly believe that then you're both ignorant and completely unaware of what's going on around the globe!

It can be, yes. You know when it can be "peaceful?"

When everyone is a muslim! Does that tickle you?

Otherwise it can't be and isn't! The Quran calls for violence, death, and oppression of those who are not muslim in varying circumstances.

Look, this really isn't an argument between me and you! It's an argument between yourself and reality. Go read the Quran. I did after 9/11. It won't take you long. A few days to get the jist. Much of the violent stuff is amongst the first 10 suras.

261 posted on 04/22/2004 10:31:28 AM PDT by wingster
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To: FeliciaCat
Islam is not compatible with Western Civilization. It refuses to be tolerant of ANYTHING but its own dogma and wishes death to those who think different.

This is a partial repost of an earlier one in regards to someone else who though Islam only had two exclusive worlds: them and everyone else who must die or convert:

... They appear to be trying to say it [Dar al-Islam] means the zone of people who have submitted to Islam. "Islam" itself means submission of one's self to God, so the meaning is really "house of those who have submitted themselves to God." The writer then contrasts that with the Dar al-Harb, or House of War, with which Muslims must be at war to turn into the Dar al-Islam.

Actually, Dar al-Harb is not defined properly. It is for those other nations that are persecuting Muslims, at war with them, or unfriendly to them. It's really a classification any country gives to others. I think in the U.S. we would consider North Korea to be Dar al-Harb.

So what of nations that are at peace with Muslim countries yet aren't Muslim? The writer groups them with Dar al-Harb, but there is another: Dar al-‘Ahd, which covers those countries at peace with and have treaties and diplomatic relations with Dar al-Islam.

There is yet another concept called Dar al-Amn, the House of Peace/Trust. It's where Muslims are living in a non-Muslim country (likely Dar al-‘Ahd) where their right to practice their religion is protected. There is no cause for Muslims to war with such a country. However, if various anti-Muslims in this country get their way, it will turn us from Dar al-‘Ahd to Dar al-Harb.

Added: Of course, radical Muslims who care more for conquest than religion likely already classify us as Dar al-Harb.

262 posted on 04/22/2004 10:32:33 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: highlander_UW
The solution seems simple to me. Set up loudspeakers in every church in town and read Bible verses 5 times a day. Do it 10 or 15 minutes after the call to prayer so the muslims have some solid word of God to meditate upon...and it would be a service to the rest of the town as well.

They could do that and get away with it, ASSUMING the slammies actually start broadcasting their muetzin call. The town fathers would be faced with the prospect of arresting everybody connected with every church in town for doing something they just the slammies the right to do, and they'd back down.

263 posted on 04/22/2004 10:41:15 AM PDT by judywillow
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To: wingster
When everyone is a muslim! Does that tickle you?

Read 262. It's more about what many Muslims do with their religion than what their religion is. And war is not necessary from the Quranic view.

Go read the Quran. I did after 9/11.

I did after 3/1991 in the Gulf War and have been reading other stuff since. I've also met and talked with Muslims in four different countries, two of them Muslim-controlled. You don't realize that the average Muslim just wants to live his life happily, serving his god, just as a Christian does. There are exceptions: those living in the slums sucking up hate speech; those too stupid to think for themselves listening to hateful leaders, and those leaders themselves. Those also happen to be the only ones you see on the news.

I have no problem offing all those people. Even I as a governmental fiscally-conservative person would find the cost of the bullets to be justified.

264 posted on 04/22/2004 10:45:29 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: judywillow
They could do that and get away with it, ASSUMING the slammies actually start broadcasting their muetzin call. The town fathers would be faced with the prospect of arresting everybody connected with every church in town for doing something they just the slammies the right to do, and they'd back down.

Seems like a win/win to me. If they back decide not to go forward with the calls to prayer then issue solved. If they decide to move forward then all the better as an opportunity to broadcast scripture into the communities.

265 posted on 04/22/2004 10:48:56 AM PDT by highlander_UW ("Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Benjamin Franklin)
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To: righteousindignation
"If you are as apalled and upset over this as I am, please let me know!"

Nope, just disgusted.
266 posted on 04/22/2004 10:53:52 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: janetgreen
"...political correctness (?) wins again. This isn't America anymore."

No, it's not. And it's getting worse.
267 posted on 04/22/2004 10:54:42 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: Bikers4Bush
"But we all know what it is, and it's only a matter of time."

Yup.
268 posted on 04/22/2004 10:57:06 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: wingster
It advocates violence in one form or others.

So does the Bible.

It necessarily dictates that non-muslims pay a tax to the Islamic establishment.

In Muslim-controlled countries. I'm not saying that's right, it's a law for ancient times that should be discarded as many Christians have discarded their old laws.

It necessarily places anyone but muslims in a lower societal status. It necessarily forces those same people to essentially serve muslims.

That got fairly interesting in practice, as the non-Muslims eventually took up a whole essential strata of society and became in themselves important to the functioning of the society. But back then at least the Christians weren't being slaughtered as heretics by other Christians. To them alive with taxes was better than dead.

It clearly does not provide for the freedom to pursue happiness as outlined in the founding documents of this country.

As far as Shari'a goes, it is. Many Christian-based laws that I see as infringing on our rights have been upheld. It's just a different set of laws. That's just an objective point of view. Of course I wouldn't prefer this country be run on Muslim laws -- the Christian ones are bad enough. But I'm sure you'd probably like the prohibitions against adultery and homosexuality.

My question to Muslims who don't agree with the "violence" stuff in the Quran is "why are you muslim then?" Either you are muslim and you agree with the Quran, or you are not!

Do you still think mass genocide, rape and slavery are good things? That's in the Old Testament. But I know Christ came along and changed things, so you think women should keep their heads covered in church, not speak up, and be completely subordinate to men, their play toys in essence? Do you think women should not be allowed to teach? Do you think women should not be allowed to braid their hair or wear jewelry? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you think those are not good ideals, but they are in the New Testament. But how can you claim you are a Christian if you don't follow such misogyny?

And to your point, where is the outrage amongst all these "peaceful" muslims at what their "violent" counterparts are doing?

It's there, but it doesn't hit the news much. I've even seen a few articles like that on FR.

269 posted on 04/22/2004 11:02:22 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Mamzelle
They are low-life, bottom-feeding scum.
270 posted on 04/22/2004 11:04:57 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: Steve_Seattle
Church bells just tell the time. It is music (of a sort). Religion is not mentioned, nor is God. Big difference.
271 posted on 04/22/2004 11:08:57 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: antiRepublicrat
So you'd persecute a Christian for what Muslims do just because of his ethnicity? I can't agree with that one.



Christian Arabs need to speak out againts islam if they are truly christian, otherwise, you really cant tell the difference between a muslim arab and a christian arab.

Christian arabs who do not stand with other christians are conceding to islam by their silence.

So, their OWN SILENCE persecutes them - not me.
272 posted on 04/22/2004 11:17:56 AM PDT by Iron Matron (Civil Disobedience? It's not just for liberals anymore!)
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To: omega4412
Absolutely right.
It's not like muslims are standing up against the fanatics waging war on us.
Their silence speaks volumes.
As soon as we can put any kind of church in muslum countries then they can KEEP theirs here.
But under no circumstances are we going to allow their pissing/marking territory on all of our cities with their so called call to prayer.
273 posted on 04/22/2004 11:24:43 AM PDT by chuckwalla (O, THE INSANITY, THE LUNACY THESE DAYS)
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To: antiRepublicrat
WHY BEHOLDEST THOU THE MOTE THAT IS IN THY BROTHER'S EYE?

Because that mote is an RPG aimed at us.
274 posted on 04/22/2004 11:37:27 AM PDT by chuckwalla (O, THE INSANITY, THE LUNACY THESE DAYS)
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To: Iron Matron
You're right about our domestic problems.

All I hear on the TV lately are people talking about civil war in Iraq when the coalition pulls out, but I feel we're going to have a civil war right here if things don't start changing,and soon.

I don't even recognize this country anymore.
275 posted on 04/22/2004 11:37:27 AM PDT by Mears
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To: Mears
Which is precisely why the constitution guarantees protection of our God given right to self protection in part through the 2d amendment.
Non infringement means we are able to best choose ourselves how.
If they have RPG's and full auto AK's we do too.
Period.
The founding fathers knew what they were doing.
The liberals do not.
276 posted on 04/22/2004 11:41:47 AM PDT by chuckwalla (O, THE INSANITY, THE LUNACY THESE DAYS)
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To: righteousindignation
I dug out the names of Hamtrack's City Council and asked them when Sharia Law will be implemented.

kmajewski@hamtramckcity.com
rcedar@hamtramckcity.com
ccirgenski@hamtramckcity.com
sahmed@hamtramckcity.com
sklein@hamtramckcity.com
277 posted on 04/22/2004 11:44:18 AM PDT by Oatka
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To: antiRepublicrat
I thought the Muslims already used electronic calls to prayer.
278 posted on 04/22/2004 11:44:44 AM PDT by Mears
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To: Iron Matron
Christian Arabs need to speak out againts islam if they are truly christian,

Maybe he is speaking out, but you said you'd boycott him anyway just because of his ethnicity, which isn't right.

279 posted on 04/22/2004 11:46:35 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Mears
I thought the Muslims already used electronic calls to prayer.

They use various non-annoying means all over the world, but these guys just want to be dicks. The city council shouldn't have caved.

280 posted on 04/22/2004 11:48:30 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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