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TROP™: Islam, Apostasy, and Human Rights (Allah the all-merciful, the all-compassionate…)
Dhimmi Watch ^ | April 17, 2004 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 04/17/2004 10:19:05 AM PDT by quidnunc

Here is the full text of an enormously important paper that was presented by Ibn Warraq at a panel discussion on "Apostasy, Human Rights, Religion and Belief" held at the the 60th Session of the UN Commission on Human Rights in Geneva on April 7, 2004. Ibn Warraq, of course, is the outstandingly courageous author of "Why I am not a Muslim" and the editor of "The Origins of the Koran; The Quest for the Historical Muhammad"; "What the Koran Really Says"; and "Leaving Islam: Apostates Speak Out".

The very notion of apostasy has vanished from the West where one would talk of being a lapsed Catholic or non-practicing Christian rather than an apostate. There are certainly no penal sanctions for converting from Christianity to any other religion. In Islamic countries, on the other hand, the issue is far from dead.

The Arabic word for apostate is murtadd, the one who turns back from Islam, and apostasy is denoted by irtidad and ridda. Ridda seems to have been used for apostasy from Islam into unbelief ( in Arabic, kufr ), and irtidad from Islam to some other religion. A person born of Muslim parents who later rejects Islam is called a Murtadd Fitri - fitri meaning natural, it can also mean instinctive, native, inborn, innate. One who converts to Islam and subsequently leaves it is a Murtadd Milli, from milla meaning religious community .The Murtadd Fitri can be seen as someone unnatural, subverting the natural course of things whose apostasy is a willful and obstinate act of treason against God and the one and only true creed, and a betrayal and desertion of the community. The Murtadd Milli is a traitor to the Muslim community, and equally disruptive.

Any verbal denial of any principle of Muslim belief is considered apostasy. If one declares, for example, that the universe has always existed from eternity or that God has a material substance, then one is an apostate. If one denies the unity of God or confesses to a belief in reincarnation, one is guilty of apostasy. Certain acts are also deemed acts of apostasy, for example treating a copy of the Koran disrespectfully, by burning it or even soiling it in some way. Some doctors of Islamic law claim that a Muslim becomes an apostate if he or she enters a church, worships an idol, or learns and practises magic. A Muslim becomes an apostate if he defames the Prophet’s character, morals or virtues, and denies Muhammad’s prophethood and that he was the seal of the prophets.

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In other words, kill the apostates (with the sword) but certainly not by burning them, that is Allah’s way of punishing transgressors in the next world. According to a tradition of Aisha’s, apostates are to be slain, crucified or banished.

Should the apostate be given a chance to repent? Traditions differ enormously. In one tradition, Muadh Jabal refused to sit down until an apostate brought before him had been killed “in accordance with the decision of God and of His Apostle.”

Under Muslim law, the male apostate must be put to death, as long as he is an adult, and in full possession of his faculties. If a pubescent boy apostatises, he is imprisoned until he comes of age, when if he persists in rejecting Islam he must be put to death. Drunkards and the mentally disturbed are not held responsible for their apostasy. If a person has acted under compulsion he is not considered an apostate, his wife is not divorced and his lands are not forfeited. According to Hanafis and Shia, a woman is imprisoned until she repents and adopts Islam once more, but according to the influential Ibn Hanbal, and the Malikis and Shafiites , she is also put to death. In general, execution must be by the sword, though there are examples of apostates tortured to death, or strangled, burnt, drowned, impaled or flayed. The caliph Umar used to tie them to a post and had lances thrust into their hearts, and the Sultan Baybars II (1308-09) made torture legal.

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(Excerpt) Read more at jihadwatch.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: madpoet; muslims; religionofpeace

1 posted on 04/17/2004 10:19:05 AM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
That does it. I'm going to the book store and buy all of the Korans, then I'm going put them in a big trash bin and fill it with water. When the paper is smooooshed, I'm gonna dry it out and take it to the local toilet paper plant and offer the paper as "recycled" - and let nature takes it course. Nobody will know - but everybody will be wiping their butt with the Koran.
2 posted on 04/17/2004 10:29:09 AM PDT by PokeyJoe (FCC Warning: This post censored for an obvious Janet.)
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To: PokeyJoe
Your post becomes even funnier if you imagine it being recited by Dennis Leary.
3 posted on 04/17/2004 10:32:06 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist
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To: quidnunc
A Muslim becomes an apostate if he defames the Prophet’s character, morals or virtues, and denies Muhammad’s prophethood

I can just see the men gathered around the tea house, smoking cigarettes...

"Muhammad (peace be upon him) took a 9 year old as a bride.....Well he did. Why are you all looking at me? Well, a 9 year old.....not that there is anything wrong with that!"

4 posted on 04/17/2004 10:43:14 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: quidnunc
"TROP™:" ??

I thought they said TROLLOP - you know - those 67 trollops that they get when blowing themselves up - like reno, hillary, etc....
5 posted on 04/17/2004 11:00:27 AM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: steplock
steplock wrote: "TROP™" ??

TROP™ = The Religion Of Peace™

6 posted on 04/17/2004 11:02:48 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: SkyPilot
"(peace be upon him)"

Just take the shortcut that the Moslems I worked with did. Pronounce the acronym "puh-buh." I was talking with them one day about why Islam didn't like adoption, and every time they mentioned Muhammad, it was "blah blah blah Muhammad puhbuh." I had to ask what the heck they were saying.

7 posted on 04/17/2004 1:01:18 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (http://www.code16.com/cat/)
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To: quidnunc
INTREP - TROP
8 posted on 04/17/2004 4:17:42 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: SkyPilot
You mean like my tagline?
9 posted on 04/17/2004 4:26:05 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: quidnunc
 
 

10 posted on 05/10/2004 11:09:35 PM PDT by miltonim (Fight those who do not believe in Allah. - Koran, Surah IX: 29)
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