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To: BurkesLaw
I've actually heard it explained (from a Jew) like this:

Just as the Democrat party keeps minorities on the plantation by saying "we'll protect you from mean ol' racist whitey"

the Jews keep voting Democrat because they have an "us vs them" attitude toward the "Goyem" who are always out to get them.

In reality, it's the Left that's really out to do them in.

The right has a problem with its attitude toward groups in that we ignore their "groupness" and treat them as individuals that must all live up to the same standards of behavior in society. This non-pandering doesn't win them to our side.
16 posted on 04/16/2004 8:51:42 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB
People of Jewish religious/ethnic are little different from other groups with a large immigrant segment, IMHO.

Like other groups there are observant and nonobservant, or secular, Jewish people. Second, amongst the observant there are those that believe in transcendent enduring moral order and those that hold their faith as a loose collection of enlightenment sentiment. This group can be also divided by the division outlined by Thomas Sowell in A Conflict of Visions as those that believe in the Constrained and the Unconstrained vision of man. The belief in the perfectibility of man and that our social orders can be constructed to adapt such a construct, denying heavenly Grace, works out to about the same division.

The same question can be asked of Christians and to expect Jewish people to always come down on the momentary side of who looks to be doing the better job of friendship to a Jewish state lacks belief in Jewish Americans largely being Americans first, which I believe is the case. Israel is very important to many Jews, but to pretend it is the sum total of their values is simplistic.

27 posted on 04/16/2004 9:27:12 AM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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