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I want to know why, since Stern was massively fined under the clinton admin, isn't Ebert saying that part was all leftwing silencing moves?

What's with the hypocrisy/double standards?

1 posted on 04/16/2004 5:18:24 AM PDT by Monty22
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To: Monty22
The double standards are all over, though. You show smut on tv, you get an Emmy. You talk trash on the radio, you get fined.
2 posted on 04/16/2004 5:24:53 AM PDT by battlecry
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But what if a child should tune in? Call me old-fashioned, but I believe it is the responsibility of parents to control their children's media input. The entire nation cannot be held hostage so that everything on the radio is suitable for 9-year-olds.

Roger, how is a responsible parent to monitor their children's radio listening? Are their V-Chips in radios? When your kid walks by with those walkman headphones on, can you tell exactly what he is listening to?

Every time I see a comparison of Limbaugh & Stern it is written by a liberal. These people are so shallow. The only thing these 2 guys have in common is that they both work in Radio. Beyond that...

Other than a cheap form of comedy, Stern's schtick contributes nothing to society. OTOH, Limbaugh is working in the realm of political speech -- which is the type of speech that should be most protected by the 1st Amendment. Roger Ebert needs to think before he sits down to his Word Processor.

3 posted on 04/16/2004 5:30:58 AM PDT by Tallguy (Cannot rate this Reserve Freepers fitness: Not observed on this thread.)
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Another blowhard who is challenged by gravity and good sense. If he were to come out of the dark theatre and look around, Roger may find out the most of Stern's listeners are "right-wing".

And, by the way, I hope Roger pays more attention to the movies he critiques than he does to Rush Limbaugh. It is rather idiotic these days to keep repeating the same misconceptions of Mr. Limbaugh. "Feminazi" is one example. Mr. Limbaugh coined that name to apply to certain feminist, not to all feminist. Anyone paying attention knows this.

It is getting boring, listening to socialist whine about Howard Stern and their ridiculous imaginary comparisons between the King Of All Things Between The Legs and the Master Of Political Commentary. I guess it is important to Roger and his type to make sure Howard Stern is elevated to the unreachable plateau of Mr. Limbaugh, even if it's only in their minds.
4 posted on 04/16/2004 5:35:23 AM PDT by whereasandsoforth (tagged for migratory purposes only)
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I want to know why, since Stern was massively fined under the clinton admin, isn't Ebert saying that part was all leftwing silencing moves?

Stern is convinced that his new problems with the FCC and Clear Channel are the direct result of some of the anti-Bush statements he's made on the air.

10 posted on 04/16/2004 5:57:54 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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This is where I think Stern is also being disingenuous...he's been continually fined for the last ten years. The difference is now his bosses are nervous....about fines?

NO...

They're nervous about losing advertising dollars...this is a financial decision.
The left has been trying to get Rush off the air for years too...Rush has some very loyal advertisers who realize that their core buying audience are Rush's listeners. Howard does not have that luxury or loyalty.
Howard is framing this as a me against the Bush regime argument....it's frankly turned me off of Howard specifically because he's not being honest.
He should be talking about the fact he was fined by the Clinton admin too....but the truth is he loved Clinton, and some of this is probably his revenge against the republicans for daring to take Clinton down a notch.

13 posted on 04/16/2004 6:10:05 AM PDT by Katya
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"the ''public airwaves.''

Does not anyone wish to question what this phrase means?

This concept that just because a private property owner makes their product or service available to all citizens, this some how makes it a "public" product or service where everyone is entitled to equal access is just plain wrong.

There is no constitutional basis for this declaration. It is nothing less than judicial dictum.

It is a communist/socialist concept.

The "public airwaves," as so flippantly stated, would not be available to anyone of the "public" if it was not for private property owners risking the loss of their private property, money, to purchase transmission equipment enabling them to broadcast speech and music over certain radio frequencies for all of those private individuals who which to purchase another piece of private property, a receiver, to listen to that speech and music, broadcast to them over privately owned broadcast equipment

With that being said, what is the constitutional jurisdiction for Congress, through the FCC, to regulate the content of speech spoken by private property owners?

Some would say Article I, Section 8, Cl 3, the "commerce clause."

Ok, let's accept that delegated power to be true, though I believe that conclusion is dubious.

And so did the anti-federalist in 1789.

Because the anti-federalist feared that future federal politicians would expand the "Powers of Congress" in Article I, Section 8, beyond their original intention, they would not ratify the Constitution until there was a Bill of Rights to specifically prohibit the unintended consequences of future expansion of that power and subsequent loss of liberty, life, and property that would result from that expansion of federal power not orignally intended.

So, in this case of Howard Stern's employer, a private property owner, being censored and fined for exercising their right of free speech, using private property to exercise that right, two amendments contained in the original Bill of Rights, insisted by the anti-federalist, are applicable to halt and stop Congress' unconstitutional action promulgated through the FCC.

Amendment I and Amendment V.

Free people, let me repeat that phrase, free people, as individuals, make the decision what speech that are going to listen to, without interference from their government.

To all of you "conservatives" here at FreeRepublic.com, what would you say if Rush Limbaugh was "fined" for using the phrase "enviromental wacko's" as being offensive by Congress, through the FCC?

Free speech and private property rights are the fundamental philosophical basis for the exertion of the twin, uniquely U.S.A., enviable actions of liberty and capitalism, which are the fundamental building blocks for individuals to live prosperous, happy, and free lives. (see Milton Friedman, "Free to Choose, circa 1980)

Support of any action by Congress, through the FCC, to the contrary is nothing less than totalitarianism, anti-constitutionalist, and anti-U.S.A.

17 posted on 04/16/2004 6:26:04 AM PDT by tahiti
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Without going into the merits (or lack thereof) of Stern's show or Ebert's argument, when can kids get a chance to listen to Stern anyway? And I hardly see the attraction for them anyway. Some may call Stern's antics "juvenile", but they are directed towards adults with a "juvenile" sense of humor. There is a distinction here.

I would say Stern's show appeals to adults' "base" senses. Those who don't wish to have those senses stimulated don't tune in. Kids don't even care; they don't get it.

I understand the FCC's position, I just don't agree with it.

18 posted on 04/16/2004 6:58:18 AM PDT by Mr. Bird (Ain't the beer cold!)
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25 posted on 04/16/2004 8:22:08 AM PDT by E Rocc (One of the best things about being a conservative is you get to laugh at the liberals.)
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Limbaugh does offend me when I monitor him, because he has cheapened political discourse in this country with his canned slogans and cheap shots.

Pot, kettle, black. This is from someone who called A Clockwork Orange and Dirty Harry facist, and compared the crown at an Andrew Dice Clay concert to a Hitler rally. Ebert should look back at his reviews over his entire see how he has cheapened them with his simplistic politics.

35 posted on 04/16/2004 9:27:00 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist
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Roger Ebert, creator, in his days as a failed Hollywood scriptwriter, of the softporn character Sweet Li'l Alice, a guy who now goes to the movies for a living and thinks it a productive use of his time, listens daily to the won't-grow-up-don't-want-to-go-to-school Peter Pan of radio, Howard Stern, champion of perpetual adolescents everywhere.

Now there's a surprise.

37 posted on 04/16/2004 10:03:07 AM PDT by beckett
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And oh yes, how can Ebert reconcile his complaints about Limbaugh "cheapening" the political discourse with his tireless championing of Michael Moore?
39 posted on 04/16/2004 10:07:37 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/953488/posts
40 posted on 04/16/2004 10:13:54 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist
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What are the details of his Clinton-Era fines? I'd love to be armed with that info!
43 posted on 04/16/2004 2:38:38 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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Stern offends the puritan right, which doesn't seem to respect the American tradition of freedom of expression.

Can anyone tell me what tradition he's talking about. I've never heard of an American tradition of being able to talk about lesbians eating "beaver" on the radio.

44 posted on 04/16/2004 2:44:39 PM PDT by SwankyC
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