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Of Quislings and Kisslings: foot soldiers in the Culture of Death
http://www.excommunication.net ^ | December 5, 1996 | Joseph R. Stanton, MD

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Of Quislings and Kisslings: 
foot soldiers in the Culture of Death

by Joseph R. Stanton, MD

Editor’s note: This article by veteran pro-lifer Dr. Joseph R. Stanton originally was delivered at The Catholic Action League of Massachusetts John Boyle O’Reilly Lecture, Sheraton Tara Hotel, Braintree, Massachusetts, December 5, 1996. It has been edited slightly for publication.

The noun quisling entered history and dictionary in 1945. Its definition is "n. a traitor who serves as a puppet of the enemy occupying his country. After Vidkum Quisling, 1887-1945, head of the state council of Norway during the German Occupation 1940-45."[1]

Kissling is a more recent entry. Kissling refers to Frances Kissling, a former abortion clinic director, dissident Catholic, and head of the foundation-funded, propaganda vehicle Catholics for a Free Choice.

It takes little imagination to envision the American nation as occupied territory. Our society destroys 4,000 unborn children each day and a Kevorkian kills 43-plus persons under the guise of a "treatment of pain" with carbon monoxide — and a Supreme Court is in the process of voting whether assisted suicide and euthanasia are constitutional rights. God help us! This nation is a country imminently threatened with a takeover by the Culture of Death. Let’s review some of the evidence.

The Boston Globe (23 January 1971, page 3), reporting on a hearing the prior day, headlined a four column article "Priest warns against Rights of the Unborn."[2] Sen. Joseph Walsh and Rep. Paul Murphy, at the request of a citizen, the late Dr. Henry Armitage, had filed a bill for an amendment to the state Constitution reading: "all men are conceived and born free and equal and have certain inalienable rights, among which may be reckoned the right of defending their lives and liberties from the moment of conception."

I was one of four physicians testifying to the humanity and individuality of the human unborn that day. In opposition were Bill Baird and Pamela Lowrey, who represented MORAL (the euphemism for the Massachusetts Organization to Repeal Abortion Laws), and "nearly 50 women’s libbers," mostly young and hugely vocal, who jammed the small hearing room.

As the hearing proceeded, the door opened and into the room and up to the secretary of the hearing strode an itinerant clergyman. He asked to be heard out of turn and was recognized next.

He identified himself as one Fr. Thomas Wassmer, S.J., a Jesuit priest and former philosopher at Ohio University presently studying at Harvard. To what did this itinerant Jesuit priest testify? "An enormous number of Roman Catholic thinkers and theologians disagree on whether life begins at conception." "There is no monolithic agreement among Catholics," and "we believe rational personal life begins about three months after conception."

Either Rep. Murphy or Chairman Bulger raised a point of inquiry, asking whether there was a canon law or common courtesy requirement that a priest going to another state to preach or testify was obliged to notify the local bishop or chancery and, if so, had he done so. Coloring slightly, the surprised witness answered "yes" to the first and "no" to the second. As the hearing broke up, he approached me and said, "They referred to you as Dr. Stanton when you spoke — do you have a brother who is a Jesuit?" I said, "Yes, Fr. Edward Stanton." He said, "Fr. Ned Stanton is a great guy," and then continued softly, "Joe, we have to show them we are broad minded."

Dumbfounded and without realizing it at that moment, I had met my first Catholic quisling, but regrettably not the last. This is the tale of quislings and Kisslings.

Sometime after the birth of Louise Joy Brown, the "test tube baby" in England, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services set up an ethics advisory board on the matter. It held hearings in seven or eight cities across the country and published volumes of testimony.[3] At the Boston hearing, I remember testifying as did Professor Leon Kass, MD and Father Paul Murphy, S.J. Father Richard McCormick, S.J., one of the board members, asked a witness that day in referring to the early human embryo as, "That stuff, or whatever you want to call it." So much for the precision and insight of human embryology. At the Washington, DC meeting of the board, Fr. Charles Curran, then-professor of theology at Catholic University, testified. As a Catholic theologian, he too denigrated the humanity of the early human unborn, again playing right into the hands of the Culture of Death. Out of this deliberately created miasma initiated by, among others, Catholic priest-professors, the term "pre-embryo" was coined to further denigrate the humanity of the unborn.[4]

On 14 September 1984, "Catholics" for a Free Choice held a press conference in Washington, DC, titled "The 1984 Elections, Abortion, Religion and Politics"[5] to show how Vice Presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro could support abortion. In the press packet they supplied The New York Times ad where Catholic laity and nuns supported abortion and a paper by J. Giles Milhaven, a former Jesuit priest who then spoke on "Catholic Options in the Abortion Debate." From the text, "Do all Catholic theologians hold beyond dispute that every abortion is wrong? Not all Catholic theologians. Thus they hold it is questio disputata and some hold some abortions are morally licit and may be even obligatory."[6] This ex-priest, former professor at Fordham and Georgetown Medical School, was one of the prime promoters of the speculative theory of delayed animation, given hospitality on Catholic college campuses. Small wonder we have reaped a whirlwind.

But in his 1984 presentation, Milhaven revealed that some 15 years before (1968) he had been among a gaggle of theologians invited to Hyannisport by Senators Robert and Ted Kennedy and the Shrivers for a weekend discussion, a private colloquium on abortion. Former priest Albert R. Jonsen, in a paper titled "Theological Ethics, Moral Philosophy and Public Moral Discourse," reports another Hyannisport meeting in 1964 with Senators Ted and Robert Kennedy. Robert was running for the New York Senate seat "and their political advisors wished to discuss the position a Catholic politician should take on abortion."[7] Albert Jonsen, then a Jesuit novice, and Fr. Joseph Fuchs, SJ, Fr. Robert Drinan, SJ, Fr. Richard McCormick, SJ, and Fr. Charles Curran of Catholic University of America were among attendees. After a day and a half of discussion, they reached the conclusion, "That Catholic politicians in a democratic polity might advocate legal restrictions on abortion but in so doing might tolerate legislation that would permit abortion under certain circumstances if political efforts to repress this moral error led to greater perils to social peace and order." Jonsen then goes on, "this position, which of course is much more nuanced than I have stated, seems to have informed the politics of the Kennedy’s."

So here we have the "personally opposed, but reluctantly vote for abortion," which Ted Kennedy and Fr. Drinan have used so effectively ever since. This has spread as a mantra among "Catholic" politicians who by their "personally opposed, but" votes have sustained the ongoing Herodian slaughter of the unborn in the USA. Of course, in 1964 and the years after till 1978 or 1979, the only threat to peaceful discourse came not from opponents of abortion but from radical feminist proponents of abortion, running through statehouses and screaming, "Our Bodies. Our Selves." Thus, years before Roe and Doe, the stage had been set for surrender of a critical Church position. All of the priests involved were Jesuits, excluding Fr. Curran. Their influence on American Catholic university campuses and in scholarly literature were enormous. Its evil fruits flourish even today, quoted ad infinitum by the enemies of life.

When Bernard Cardinal Law came to Boston, old Holy Cross Cathedral echoed and re-echoed with his depiction of abortion as the "primordial darkness of our time."

Yet in reviewing the Drinan correspondence under the Freedom of Information Act, investigative reporter Mary Meehan found a 1974 letter from Fr. Drinan to a key Planned Parenthood lawyer in which he characterized legislators pushing an anti-abortion amendment to a funding bill as "the powers of darkness."[8] A constitutional amendment to forbid abortion he found "undesirable."

To the President of Planned Parenthood of Massachusetts he wrote in 1974: "I feel that hopefully we now have an impetus going in Congress which will never allow such a motion (an anti-abortion amendment) to become the law of the land. I have regularly received information from your associates and will continue to rely on you and your associates."

Planned Parenthood’s three clinics in Massachusetts have been exterminating 20,000 unborn children a year for years. It scoffs at the parental consent law and collaborates with the attorney general, hoping to get that law overturned. Planned Parenthood has no regard for the latency period of 9 to13-year-old boys and girls as it promotes condoms and so-called "sex ed" programs with the blessing of Gov. William Weld.

On 4 June 1996, Robert F. Drinan, S.J., identifying himself as a Jesuit priest and professor of law at Georgetown, endorsed near-birth abortions — which even Sen. Patrick Moynihan said, "is to close to infanticide," and which former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop said is never medically necessary. On that date, Fr. Drinan in a New York Times Op-ed piece told the president he was right to veto the bill which would have saved viable children from a ghastly and barbaric death.[9]

For the first time a quisling met his match. Cardinal Law attacked the piece and The Pilot for one had a seething editorial.[10] John Cardinal O’Connor, in Catholic New York, thundered, "I’m sorry Fr. Drinan, but you are wrong, dead wrong. You could have raised your formidable voice for life, you raised it for death. Hardly the role of a lawyer, surely not the role of a priest."[11]

But Fr. Drinan’s posture continues to be cited by purported Catholic legislators. Massachusetts Congressman Marty Meehan (D-Lowell) in a letter dated 16 August 1996 to a constituent justifying his pro-abortion vote to sustain Clinton’s veto, wrote: "Finally, I thought you might be interested in reading an article by Fr. Drinan, a Jesuit priest. Fr. Drinan’s New York Times article outlines the arguments I have made from a unique and moral perspective."[12]

Yet the dissenters, including Fr. Drinan, continue to receive hospitality from America’s politically correct press. "Catholics" for a Free Choice is a tax-free, richly funded foundation whose executive director since 1978 is a sterilized former abortion clinic director.[13] You can see Frances Kissling on shows hosted by Ted Kopel and Tom Brokaw. You read her in the Times, the Globe and the Herald as a "Catholic" voice. After being in a convent for six months, early on she left convent and Church and ran abortion clinics. She later returned but "not to the hierarchical sacramental church" and became a virulent anti-Catholic and abortion advocate. "I came back to the Church as a social agent," she said. "I came back to women church." She is committed "to provide Catholics with a rational alternative to Church doctrine."[14]

Now if here in America a Jewish person took a highly subsidized, anti-Israel position — or an Italian who took an anti-Italian position — and the media recognized them and treated as biblical truth their every utterance, as the media does Ms. Kissling, just how long do you think it would be before those publishers and producers were visited by senior leaders of the offended group? If they continued to publicize the dissident, the one or two largest advertisers would promptly be visited and told that although their people liked their products, if they did not immediately use the power of their advertising dollar to influence the paper to stop they would advise their fold to boycott that business. That’s how big boys and girls play the game!

The Vatican in 1990 in Ex Corde Ecclesia called upon leaders of Catholic institutions of higher education to take care that, at a minimum, the religion and philosophy departments faithfully portray church teachings. John Paul II understands that the real crisis in Catholic higher education is not football gambling, but rather the hospitality it extends to dissent and denial of pope and magisterium.

The college presidents huffed and puffed that "this is America" and about "academic freedom," "dictatorships not accepted," etc. There are signs that representatives of the bishops are softening, maybe preparing for only a cosmetic change. Cosmetic changes are not enough. The Augean stables must be cleansed of denial and dissent to pope and magisterium. Catholic parents sending sons and daughters to Catholic educational institutions have a right to demand that the faith be respected and nourished — and not subverted.

A minimum, non-negotiable, demand, I believe, should be that college presidents exercise the God-given authority that is theirs and follow the Holy Father’s call voluntarily. This should include, at least in religion and philosophy departments, academically qualified persons of faith clearly explicating, even with enthusiasm, the treasure that is there in this Pope’s theology of the human person and the wisdom in Humanae Vitae, Donum Vitae and Evangelium Vitae.

Today the fight is not just for this Church and this nation but, in a larger sense, it is a struggle for the very soul of western civilization. If the third millennium is to be an era in which Evangelium Vitae — the beautiful gospel of life — is to triumph, the Church must forthwith, at long last, neutralize the Kisslings and the quislings who have belabored and betrayed its message so long. May our appointed shepherds and each of us be equal to the task.


1 American Heritage Dictionary. New College Ed., 1981, p. 1072.

2 Boston Globe, 1/23/71, p. 3 "Priest warns against Rights of the Unborn."

3 Department of Health and Human Services Ethics Advisory Board, U.S. Government Printing Office.

4 C. Ward Kischer, Ph.D. and Diane Irving, Ph.D. "The Human Development Hoax," Gold Leaf Press, 1996.

5 Catholics for a Free Choice Press Conference, 9/14/84, Washington, DC.

6 "Catholic Options in the Abortion Debate," J. Miles Milhaven, pp. 2-3.

7 "Theological Ethics, Moral Philosophy and Public Moral Discourse," Albert R. Jonsen, Kennedy Institute of Ethics Journal, Vol. 4, n. 1 (1-11) 1994, John Hopkins University Press.

8 Our Sunday Visitor, 9/8/96, p. 8, Mary Meehan, "Father Robert Drinan Under Siege."

9 New York Times, Sunday, June 4, 1996, Op ed.

10 The Pilot editorial, p. 10, 6/7/96, "The Disturbing Father Drinan."

11 Letter to constituent from Cong. Martin Meehan (signed copy in file of speaker.)

12 Catholic New York editorial by John Cardinal O’Connor, 6/20/96.

13 Human Life Review, Vol. 10, n. 4 (1984) pp. 42-60, Mary Meehan, "Foundation Power."

14 Catholic World Report, January 1994, pp. 41-42, C. Joseph Doyle, "Agent of Influence."

 

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1 posted on 04/16/2004 12:36:54 AM PDT by cpforlife.org
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To: Polycarp IV
PING. More of the "Abortion and the Catholic Factor" type.

What a mess.
2 posted on 04/16/2004 12:39:22 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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A Brief Catechism for Catholic Voters is must reading for every Catholic family. It is also very important for high-school students to learn this so that they can be properly informed Christian Voters. By Father Stephen F. Torraco, Ph.D.

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IMO--This is the most important little book Christians should read before elections. It is written in the style of the old Baltimore catechism—15 direct questions with concise answers.

Please consider presenting to pastors, Religion Classes, KofC, Sodalities, etc. for widest possible distribution.

Two great phrases that are hopefully becoming common are "NON-NEGOTIABLE ISSUE" and "disqualifying issue"

From A Brief Catechism for Catholic Voters:
"A disqualifying issue is one which is of such gravity and importance that it allows for no political maneuvering. It is an issue that strikes at the heart of the human person and is non-negotiable. A disqualifying issue is one of such enormity that by itself renders a candidate for office unacceptable regardless of his position on other matters."

From Voter's Guide for Serious Catholics (An On-Line Guide):

The FIVE NON-NEGOTIABLE ISSUES are:
1. Abortion
2. Euthanasia
3. Fetal Stem Cell Research
4. Human Cloning
5. Homosexual "Marriage"

the apostate john kerry disqualifies himself on each of the 5.

3 posted on 04/16/2004 12:40:00 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: MHGinTN; Coleus; nickcarraway; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...

Please let me know if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

4 posted on 04/16/2004 12:41:40 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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If anyone can answer: Why hasn't this wolf been excommunicated??!!
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http://www.dotm.org/drinan.htm

Father Robert Drinan, S. J.



The priest who defended Clinton’s veto on the bill to ban partial birth abortion

has been invited to speak at St. Mary’s University.





The Archdiocese of San Antonio and the four Catholic universities in San Antonio have invited Father Robert Drinan, S.J., to be the keynote speaker for a symposium of “faithful citizenship.” This event will be held on February 14, 2004, at St. Mary’s University as part of the Synod’s theme of “Year of Faith Formation and Social Concerns.” (This information was published in the November 28, 2003, issue of Today’s Catholic in a special insert.)



Father Drinan, an attorney-priest, served as a Democratic representative from Massachusetts in Congress from 1971 until 1981, when Pope John Paul II ordered him to choose between politics and the priesthood. Due to his presence in the Congress as a Catholic priest, he probably caused more damage to the pro-life beliefs of Americans than any other person before or after Roe v. Wade. As an elected official he continuously voted for abortion legislation; actively shaming his priestly position and the Church at large.



After years of ignoring requests for him to not run for re-election, Father Drinan finally obeyed his order, his bishops, and the Vatican and left the Congress. However, his pro-choice actions continued. In 1996, he wrote a column supporting President Clinton’s veto on the bill banning partical-birth abortion. After a public outcry by pro-life people, he issued a statement saying he didn’t understand the procedure.



"Fr. Drinan, what part of the phrase ‘abortion kills a human being’

do you not understand”?



Today, he writes for the National Catholic Reporter, voicing his concerns about the so-called “population explosion.” We have found no evidence that he has stopped his scandalous rejection of Church teaching on the abortion issue.



To bring this priest here to talk about social justice is not only imprudent; it is a scandal when he has failed to defend the most vulnerable of all, the human being in the womb.



Please take the time to write or call one of the following people at the Catholic Chancery in San Antonio and respectfully voice your concern:



Most Rev. Patrick F. Flores, DD Sr. Janet Abbacchi, SSND

Most Rev. Patrick Zurek, DD Office of the Synod



Telephone: (210) 734-2620 Address: Archdiocese of San Antonio

Fax : (210) 734-2774 2718 W. Woodlawn Ave.

San Antonio, TX 78220



WHY?



Fr. Robert Drinan, S.J., the priest who defended Clinton’s veto on the bill to ban partial-birth abortion is coming to San Antonio. Why?



These sponsors invited Fr. Drinan to speak. Why?



Archdiocese of San Antonio



St. Mary’s University



Our Lady of the Lake University



Oblate School of Theology



University of the Incarnate Word



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IS FR. DRINAN MORE OF A POLITICIAN THAN A PRIEST?



During the time Fr. Drinan outraged many Catholics by his support of President Clinton’s veto on partical-birth abortion, the late John Cardinal O’Connor wrote:



“I am deeply sorry, Fr. Drinan, but you are wrong,

dead wrong. You could have raised your voice

for life; you raised it for death. Hardly the role of

a lawyer. Surely not the role of a priest.”

(Catholic New York, August 1996)
5 posted on 04/16/2004 1:18:01 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org
Fr. Drinan spoke at my law school graduation. Fortunately, the PA system malfunctioned and the graduating students could not heard a thing he said.
6 posted on 04/16/2004 5:29:17 AM PDT by Corporate Law (<>< Xavier Basketball - Perennial Slayer of #1 Ranked Teams)
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To: cpforlife.org
Drinan may be technically insane. Certifiable. CFN.
7 posted on 04/16/2004 7:40:14 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Corporate Law
St. Michael must have been there.
8 posted on 04/16/2004 8:15:10 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org
LOL!
9 posted on 04/16/2004 8:22:17 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: cpforlife.org; .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Annie03; ...
Fr. Drinan is included on our excomm petition. We should finally know within the coming 2 weeks when our private audience with Pope JPII is scheduled, to present our voluminous research and petition. Please keep this in your prayers.
10 posted on 04/16/2004 8:42:52 AM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: Polycarp IV; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
I can see based on Polycarps great work that Drinan has perhaps already automatticly excommunicated himself.

I think I saw him on hannity & colmes debating Bob Dornan just this week?
11 posted on 04/16/2004 9:32:01 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org
I have seen Drinan at close range on campus. As in the next table, a few feet away. He looks demented.
12 posted on 04/16/2004 10:21:41 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Polycarp IV
I've signed the Petition but I'd like to know why Gov. Bush is not also included among the nominally Catholic politicians who promote the culture of death.

I realize -- just as his brother's "Parental Consent" potemkin bit of legislation did in Texas -- he's the recipient of accolades and soundbites regardless how ultimately impotent are his "pro-life" steps.

But no one seems to concentrate on his truly proactive work: such as the special session he called NOT to save Schiavo's life but to grease the palms of the biotech industry giants he wanted to attract to Florida.

As has been made perfectly clear by the actions of his brother, the President, on ESCR and California's current bid to become the premiere manufacturer of "stem cell lines" ... the fact is that the manufacture and purposed destruction of human life for "humanitarian" purpose is absolutely immoral.

I fail to see why folks keep pinning their hopes on the progeny of bold "abortion in the first trimester only" eugenicists and why Gov. Bush is spared citation in the Petition.

All things considered -- he and his born-again "pro-life" brother (and also their father under whose name the GOP "Earth Resources and Population" report of 1970 was issued) likely have been doing far more real and lasting damage than the overtly deathist political brethren who get all the 'credit' ... if not also awards from the likes of President George H. Bush for their "humanitarian" work as public servants.
13 posted on 04/16/2004 10:43:21 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
We've limited our research and extensive documentation to the 50 worst Catholic politicians, primarily those who have supported partial birth abortion or otherwise have consistently voted for the culture of death. I think Gov. Bush would be far down the list compared to folks like Kerry and Kenndy and Tom Ridge.

Maybe you could contact American Life League. I think their list covers the worst 500 Catholic politicians. I don't know whether in your estimation Gov. Bush would qualify for the esteemed UnFortunate 500 list.

14 posted on 04/16/2004 10:53:34 AM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: Polycarp IV; NYer; cpforlife.org; Aquinasfan
Polycarp IV wrote: We've limited our research and extensive documentation to the 50 worst Catholic politicians, primarily those who have supported partial birth abortion or otherwise have consistently voted for the culture of death.

This would make an excellent topic for a book or a doctoral dissertation. Perhaps George Weigel can deliver a good book on this.

I would like to see the Fellowship of Catholic Scholars and the ACPA take some initiative at countering Kerry's bizarre distortions and mispresentations.

15 posted on 04/16/2004 11:30:27 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Polycarp IV
=== I don't know whether in your estimation Gov. Bush would qualify for the esteemed UnFortunate 500 list.

It's a pity more haven't studied the real "movers and shakers" of the deathist cult.

I believe most look at the picture upside-down.

Kennedy and others are strictly second-string clowns. Charged with calling the US programs of birth control (as effected with the help of Cardinal Spellman and executed by a slew of bishops)"genocide" when it suits their purposes during Civil Rights days, they very easily flip-flop once the GOP kicks open the door to striking down states' rights on abortion but citing the Economic parity to which all women are entitled.

Abortion is a GOP, Polycarp. Simply because Dems have been charged for 30 years with transforming into the zenith of "empowerment" the right to off one's own doesn't mean they are the worst of all. Rather, I think those who first lay down the Talking Points, who discover a "right" to pre-determine the sex of one's child, who state quite clearly that "either the birth rate must go down or the death rate MUST go up" are the folks who deserve the most scrutiny.

I also believe the likes of Thomas Aquinas might join me in observing that the hypocrisy of these so-called "pro-lifers" (as opposed to the deformed "conscientiousness" of the useful idiot left) is by far the more grievous sin.

All that said ... you probably know I am an ardent fan of Judie Brown (whom I was delighted to meet here in New Orleans) and applaud absolutely your efforts. I wish you all the best and trust you'll keep us posted.

Not that any of us who've studied the complicity of the certain members of the hierarchy in the Catholic Church (particularly American) as well as the true architects of the Deathist movement will be surprised if your admirable efforts are rejected out of hand or given some impotent promise of action we'll never see.

All the best.

16 posted on 04/16/2004 11:46:35 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
=== I would like to see the Fellowship of Catholic Scholars and the ACPA take some initiative at countering Kerry's bizarre distortions and mispresentations

Just as I would like to know how then-Governor Bush could state during the campaign he believes life begins at conception AND that he and ESCR then -- with his first prime-time address -- legitimize the manufacture and purposed destruction of human beings (a/k/a "stem cell lines").

I find this departure from objective truth and "personal values" the far more troubling than those of Dems whose "values" clearly have morphed from election to election, crisis to crisis with all the straightfaced bald-faced lie delivery of the *average* dialectic.

17 posted on 04/16/2004 11:55:49 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
Excellent point.

While some of these players are not exactly the brightest people on the planet (and W., of course, comes from OUTSIDE the Catholic tradition), they should know better.

The controversy over stem cells, tissue harvesting, and, ultimately, eugenics and cloning, brings the culture of death nonsense into the heart of a VERY DEEP philosophical conflict within modern American conservatism. What you have is a conflict between the more Thomistic-oriented types and the commercial utilitarians. The Frankenstein stem cell research involves BIG MONEY within the bizarre community which includes the medical mafia and the multinational pharmaceutical cartels. The propaganda for this (using aborted human cells) tries to play upon the weaknesses of those with sick loved ones - cancer victims, the paralyzed, people in comas, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's.

If you are familiar with Christopher Reeve's self-absorbed sob story, you get the picture. "I need aborted embryonic cells, for research to fix my back so I can walk again..." Well, Chris buddy, hey, you're paralyzed. You have no right to abort children for Frankenstein research which MIGHT help your stiff back and degenerating legs...

18 posted on 04/16/2004 12:20:02 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
This would make an excellent topic for a book or a doctoral dissertation

Our documentation to date, including the pols' voting recods and campaign contributions from abortion lobbyists, as well as the replies from the individual bishops and cardinals, now comprises a book of about 900 pages. We will have the complete document available on CD-ROM in the near future for distribution to Catholic and secular press.

The documented response, or lack thereof, from the hierachy in face of what we provided them is absolutely damning.

19 posted on 04/16/2004 12:45:23 PM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: Askel5
Not that any of us who've studied the complicity of the certain members of the hierarchy in the Catholic Church (particularly American) as well as the true architects of the Deathist movement will be surprised if your admirable efforts are rejected out of hand or given some impotent promise of action we'll never see.

We have no false hope. We know the chances of something being done are slim.

I do not disagree with your mistrust of GOP "pro-life" leaders. Unfortunately, this is a GOP site, and criticism of the heroes of the GOP will do little to further what little success we have here in evangelizing for the Culture of Life. There are places for what you are saying, and what you are revealing needs to be exposed. Its just not going to go over well here.

20 posted on 04/16/2004 12:59:43 PM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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