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Emergency Marriage Alert (4/15/04)

Posted on 04/15/2004 10:30:13 PM PDT by Exton1

PLEASE FORWARD THIS URGENT MESSAGE TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW IN CALIFORNIA

CAMPAIGN FOR CALIFORNIA FAMILIES (CCF)
Randy Thomasson, Executive Director
www.savecalifornia.com

"HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE" BILL SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 20 HEARING AT 8 A.M.

Emergency Action Alert: AB 1967 Needs Phone Calls, Emails, Faxes, Letters Immediately

Under the cover of the big workers' compensation issue at the State Capitol, the Democrat-controlled Assembly Rules Committee today sent AB 1967, the full-blown homosexual "marriage" bill that rejects the vote of the people, to the Assembly Judiciary Committee for a vote early Tuesday at the unusual early time of 8:00 a.m.

This controversial "gay marriage" bill has been unassigned for nearly two months now due to public pressure, but the Democrats who rule the Assembly apparently want to "test" the voters as they push to impose full-blown homosexual "marriage" upon California as a role model for the children. They want to pass AB 1967 through two committees and bring it to the Assembly floor. Don't let this happen. Stop and realize that AB 1967 is only going forward because the ruling Democrats have not heard from you or your friends loudly enough. Now is the time for action!

AB 1967 is scheduled for a hearing on Tuesday, April 20 at 8 a.m. (new early time) in the Assembly Judiciary Committee, which will meet in Room 4202 of the State Capitol.

Please take personal action right away. Don't think of your involvement as optional. This is the time to fight for marriage and morality, and AB 1967 needs a FLOOD of pro-family opposition today, Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday. Pray and work to stop AB 1967 at the Assembly Judiciary Committee. We have a fighting chance if you and thousands of others take renewed action right now.

There has never been an official committee hearing on a "civil unions" or homosexual "marriage" bill in the history of California. Don't let history be changed or the definition of marriage be destroyed. Do your part now to protect marriage! Raise your voice with phone calls, emails and faxes! Use the AB 1967 Action Flyer to activate others!

PLEASE TAKE ANY OR ALL OF THESE IMPORTANT ACTION STEPS:

1. Send a Brand-New Email Message
2. Print and Distribute the AB 1967 Action Flyer
3. Call the Assembly Speaker and the Committee Members
4. Fax Your Opposition Letter (Sample Letter Provided)
5. Come to Tuesday's big hearing

1. CCF has a brand-new message for you to email to every state legislator saying "OPPOSE AB 1967." Even if you've used CCF's email system this year, please act today to send another powerful "Stop AB 1967" email message to the Judiciary Committee members and to every state legislator in Sacramento. Click here and for easy instructions: http://www.savecalifornia.net/index.php?id=gaymarriage

2. Help generate a flood of phone calls and email messages opposing AB 1967. Download and distribute the AB 1967 Action Flyer at your church this weekend: http://www.savecalifornia.com/actioncenter/ab1967_0304.cfm

3. Call Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez and the 12 members of the Assembly Judiciary Committee. Tell them "How dare you even THINK of trashing my vote to protect marriage for a man and a woman. Stop AB 1967 right now. Marriage is for a man and a woman, and the people of California voted to keep it that way!"

Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez (D-downtown Los Angeles)

916-319-2046 / fax 2146
213-620-4646 / fax 213-620-6319

Ellen Corbett (D-San Leandro), committee chair
916-319-2018 / fax 2118

Hannah-Beth Jackson (D-Santa Barbara)
916-319-2035 / fax 2135

Loni Hancock (D-Berkeley), AB 1967 Co-author
916-319-2014 / fax 2114

John Longville (D-San Bernardino Co.), AB 1967 Co-author
916-319-2062 / fax 2162

Sally Lieber (D-San Jose), AB 1967 Co-author
916-319-2022 / fax 2122

John Laird (D-Santa Cruz), AB 1967 Co-author
916-319-2027 / fax 2127

Cindy Montanez (D-San Fernando), AB 1967 Co-author
916-319-2039 / fax 2139

Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento), AB 1967 Co-author
916-319-2009 / fax 2109

Tom Harman (R-Huntington Beach)
916-319-2067 / fax 2167

Robert Pacheco (R-Walnut)
916-319-2060 / fax 2161

Todd Spitzer (R-Orange)
916-319-2071 / fax 2171

Patricia Bates (R-Oceanside)
916-319-2073 / fax 2173

4. Write a brief letter opposing AB 1967 on personal, business, church or organizational stationery. Fax it to the Assembly Judiciary Committee at (916) 319-2188, and fax a copy of your letter to CCF at (916) 848-3456. You may also fax your letter to other members of the Judiciary Committee by changing the addressee and salutation. Here is a sample letter to edit, or copy and paste if you wish:

(Date)

The Honorable Ellen Corbett Chair, Assembly Judiciary Committee State Capitol Sacramento, CA 95814

Re: AB 1967 -- Oppose

Dear Chairwoman Corbett:

(Name of organization) strongly oppose AB 1967, which will usher homosexual "marriage" into California, violating the will of the people and the state constitution that prevents the Legislature from amending or rejecting the vote of the people on Proposition 22.

This radical bill would allow any two persons  two men or two women  to receive a government-approved gender-neutral marriage license. Completely destroying the uniqueness of marriage for a man and a woman, AB 1967 trashes the vote of the people to protect marriage and turns this sacred institution upside down.

AB 1967 would create same-sex marriage in California, violating Proposition 22 and the will of 61.4 percent of the voters who demanded that the sacred rights of marriage be protected for a man and a woman, a husband and a wife.

I urge you to protect the rights of voters and resist this bad bill which would completely destroy the uniqueness of marriage in California. The state should strengthen and protect marriage between a man and a woman, not weaken or eliminate the distinction of this sacred institution.

Just four years ago, 4.6 million Californians went to the polls and demanded that marriage rights be protected for a man and a woman only. AB 1967 goes directly against the voters and the state Constitution:

Marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman. - Arnold Schwarzenegger on the nationally-syndicated Sean Hannity radio show, August 28, 2003

Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California. - Proposition 22, the Protection of Marriage Initiative, approved by 61.4 percent of California voters (4,618,673 voters) on March 7, 2000

The Legislaturemay amend or repeal an initiative statute by another statute that becomes effective only when approved by the electors unless the initiative statute permits amendment or repeal without their approval. - California State Constitution, Article II, Section 10(c)

Because the voters have overwhelmingly spoken and have stated that marriage should only be for a man and a woman, please oppose AB 1967. This bill would destroy the uniqueness of marriage, reject California voters, and reject and our state Constitution. Marriage is only for a man and a woman!

Sincerely, (Signature) (Name) (Position) (Organization)

5. Come to the committee hearing in Sacramento to add your voice at the hearing. There will be an opportunity for you and your friends to come to the microphone and state your name and that you are opposed to AB 1967. Bring your friends to Room 4202 at the State Capitol at 8 a.m. (new early time) on Tuesday, April 20. The State Capitol Building is on the corner of 10th and L Streets in Sacramento.

# # #

CAMPAIGN FOR CALIFORNIA FAMILIES (CCF) is a 501(c)(4) nonprofit, nonpartisan family issues leadership organization serving families in this state and across America. Sign up today for CCF's free email updates at www.savecalifornia.com. Your partnership empowers CCF to work to restore family-friendly values to government and society. Please join with us by sending a gift of any size to:

Campaign for California Families
Randy Thomasson, Executive Director
Fighting to Restore Family-Friendly Values P.O. Box 782, Sacramento, CA 95812
(916) 443-1410
www.savecalifornia.com

One hundred percent of CCF's resources can be used to boldly influence government on your family's behalf; therefore gifts are not tax deductible.


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To: OutInTheColdAgain
Thank God you are not my mom.
61 posted on 04/17/2004 10:02:32 AM PDT by bobbyd (Damn, I've been tagged.....)
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
If Gays "just want to be left alone" why do they attack the Boy Scouts, Church, Schools, Marriage?
62 posted on 04/17/2004 11:00:11 AM PDT by Exton1
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
You didn't respond to anything I said. Instead you posted a link that said:
Granted, science has yet to figure out what causes homosexuality.
That was the point of my post. There's no evidece to support homosexuality is genetic, and as I keep saying, the major factor in determining homosexuality is environment.

Your only interest appears to be remaining a mushroom. That is, staying in the dark and eating manure, as that's all your pushing here.

You really should heed the words of John Adams when he said:

"Facts are stubborn things, and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
The facts don't support you.
63 posted on 04/17/2004 11:11:25 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
The younger generation in fact overwhelmingly supports gay rights, including gay marriage. To them it is no big deal.

That's called miseducation, and it's been perpetrated with great and malicious forethought by the NEA, gay political and legal NGO's, PFLAG, GLSEN, and their media allies for 20 years now -- vociferously and (in the press) one-sidedly for the last 10. There has never been an honest and impartial discussion of homosexuality and its ramifications in American print media in the last 25 years, and I've been watching and paying attention. Gay teachers have been propagandizing students since I was in high school, 40 years ago -- at first, surreptitiously and without school support, and now openly, and with the weight of the liberal education bureaucracy and the NEA behind them. It is a conspiracy, and its participants are doing objective evil.

64 posted on 04/17/2004 2:10:49 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: OutInTheColdAgain; scripter
OutInTheColdAgain
This account has been banned or suspended.

Another seminar poster from GLPC.

Scripter, which is the NGO that trains the seminar disruptors?

65 posted on 04/17/2004 2:16:10 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
My, my, my. Suspended or banned, before I could get back to you. Surprise, suprise!

A couple of points for you to ponder, you're probably still checking back here for replies, for what reason, only you know.

1. Every single opinion you voiced was based SOLELY on your "feelings", and oddly enough, all your feelings coincided nicely with the "gay" agenda.

2. Facts, research, truth, logic and history ALL support MY view, and undermine YOURS. If you ever want to discuss the topic of homosexuality with adults who are not "gay" acitvists or their minions, you need to come up with some actual reaoned points supporting your position.*

3. The Log Cabin Republicans base their "Log Cabinism" on the wishing thinking phantasmagoria that Abraham Lincoln was a fellow practicioner of same sex sodomy. It's based on phony, revisionist "gay" history. Second, the purpose of such phony Republicans is to turn the GOP towards the left on social issues such as "gay" rights.

It's a Trojan horse, and like all horses, full of manure. Except horse manure is much more useful and smells better.


*(Since you won't be able to, this is a moot point. But you should consider this point deeply.)
66 posted on 04/17/2004 5:18:17 PM PDT by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
"A middle ground might be to fight for same-sex marriage and its benefits and then, once granted, redefine the institution of marriage completely, to demand the right to marry not as a way of adhering to society's moral codes but rather to debunk a myth and radically alter an archaic institution." Michenlangelo Signorile in OUT magazine (Dec/Jan 1994.)

Chris Crain, the editor of the Washington Blade has stated that all homosexual activists should fight for the legalization of same-sex marriage as a way of gaining passage of federal anti-discrimination laws that will provide homosexuals with federal protection for their chosen lifestyle.

Crain writes: "...any leader of any gay rights organization who is not prepared to throw the bulk of their efforts right now into the fight for marriage is squandering resources and doesn't deserve the position." (Washington Blade, August, 2003).

Andrew Sullivan, a homosexual activist writing in his book, Virtually Normal, says that once same-sex marriage is legalized, heterosexuals will have to develop a greater "understanding of the need for extramarital outlets between two men than between a man and a woman." He notes: "The truth is, homosexuals are not entirely normal; and to flatten their varied and complicated lives into a single, moralistic model is to miss what is essential and exhilarating about their otherness." (Sullivan, Virtually Normal, pp. 202-203)

Paula Ettelbrick, a law professor and homosexual activist has said: "Being queer is more than setting up house, sleeping with a person of the same gender, and seeking state approval for doing so. … Being queer means pushing the parameters of sex, sexuality, and family; and in the process, transforming the very fabric of society. … We must keep our eyes on the goals of providing true alternatives to marriage and of radically reordering society's view of reality." (partially quoted in "Beyond Gay Marriage," Stanley Kurtz, The Weekly Standard, August 4, 2003)

Evan Wolfson has stated: "Isn't having the law pretend that there is only one family model that works (let alone exists) a lie? … marriage is not just about procreation-indeed is not necessarily about procreation at all." (quoted in "What Marriage Is For," by Maggie Gallagher, The Weekly Standard, August 11, 2003)

Mitchel Raphael, editor of the Canadian homosexual magazine Fab, says: "Ambiguity is a good word for the feeling among gays about marriage. I'd be for marriage if I thought gay people would challenge and change the institution and not buy into the traditional meaning of 'till death do us part' and monogamy forever. We should be Oscar Wildes and not like everyone else watching the play." (quoted in "Now Free To Marry, Canada's Gays Say, 'Do I?'" by Clifford Krauss, The New York Times, August 31, 2003)

1972 Gay Rights Platform Demands: "Repeal of all legislative provisions that restrict the sex or number of persons entering into a marriage unit…" [Emphasis added.]

67 posted on 04/17/2004 6:14:08 PM PDT by johnmorris886 (It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things that men of intemperate minds cannot he free.)
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To: little jeremiah
I agree they are phony. They of all people should be the strongest critics of expanded government influence over their lives. Instead they want more. It's the surest sign that they are anything but conservative. Asking for government involvement in redefining the traditional meaning of the word "marriage" is about as leftist as one can get. It's probably the most collectivist idea we've seen proposed in the last 50 years.
68 posted on 04/17/2004 6:16:40 PM PDT by risk (I answer, God needeth not the help of a material sword of steel to assist the sword of the Spirit)
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
No matter how professionals in our society extol the virtues of ‘science,’ if empirical evidence goes against their beliefs, they often ignore it or avoid it. The employment of homosexuals as foster parents is a perfect case in point.

Editor’s Note: Since FRI's Chairman, Dr.Paul Cameron, was personally involved in these matters, this report is written as a first person account

When a 16 year-old foster son was molested and raped by two gay foster parents in Vermont, Tom Moore, Deputy of the State’s Social and Rehabilitation Services, told me on June 25, 2002 that neither he nor the Commissioner knew of any evidence about the molestation rates of children by homosexual foster parents. He was apparently echoing his boss, Commissioner William Young, who the papers quoted as saying “I don’t know of any screening instrument for [sexual molestation]. Certainly, sexual preference doesn’t have anything to do with it, or religious beliefs or socioeconomic status. It’s so frustrating because there isn’t a predictor.” (Rutland Herald 6/21/02)

Really? Traditional common sense holds that married parents are likely to be the best foster placement, and homosexuals among the worst, in part because of the risks of sexual molestation. But tradition holds almost no weight for these bureaucrats. How can this be? Can the traditions that worked to build arguably the world’s most successful culture be ignored without injuring society? What kind of belief-system is so much better that it should be followed instead?

When I interviewed the reporter who wrote the story for the Rutland Herald, he refused to specify whether what he had called the “male couple” in the newspaper story was in fact a homosexual couple. He said that the Rutland Herald never released the sexual orientations of those accused of crimes. When I spoke with his editor, she repeated the policy. The “male couple” certainly acted as though they were gay, but the newspaper staff wasn’t about to say or print it.

Fortunately, those at the District Court of Vermont were not so protective of ‘sexual orientation privacy.’ They provided the entire record. The rest of the story about the 16 year-old fit traditional common sense perfectly.

It turns out that the natural parents of the boy who was victimized strenuously objected to the placement of their hard-to-control son with these two gays. Yet, following a policy laid down 15 years ago, their objections were ignored. Additionally, when the boy complained to the Department that his new foster parents had asked him whether he had engaged in anal intercourse with his brother, the Department, through David Stanley, its Case Worker, concluded that the boy had been ‘coached’ to say this by his natural parents. Stanley said the gay foster parents denied saying such a thing and he believed them. So as far as the case worker was concerned, the boy had lied, so he was forced to stay with the ‘male couple.’

Soon thereafter, the men gave the boy a magazine containing depictions of scantily clad men. They told the boy to ‘masterbate to these pictures.’ The boy complied, and hid the magazine under his bed.

Here, another factor of the case supported traditional common sense. Traditional thought holds that homosexuals have difficulty containing their sexual desires for youth. And sure enough, even in the face of all this investigation and conflict about possible molestation, the boy was with these homosexuals only two more weeks before they began to rape him!

Think of it. The investigation had already put these two gays ‘on notice,’ and yet this warning kept them from acting upon their temptation for only two weeks. Then, both men, who were in a ‘committed relationship’ with one another, had their way sexually with the boy. Sometimes, just one of them raped the boy alone, sometimes it happened when they were together. The boy managed to escape only by pretending that the sex was OK, and then fleeing to a hospital when the ‘family’ went to town to shop.

As it turned out, the men’s magazine was the ‘clincher’ when the boy fingered his foster ‘parents.’ Because the magazine was where the boy said it was, the police were able to get the men to confess.

Notice what happened here. Vermont’s child protective agency, without evidence of any sort, adopted a new policy 15 years ago that discarded tradition. Why? Because traditional common sense relegated homosexuals as ‘not suitable for foster-placement’ status. The child protective agency thought it had a ‘better way.’

What was this ‘better way?’ What is this belief system that is so much better than traditional thought?

I filed a Freedom of Information request regarding this case and the policy changes that had been instituted by the agency, asking 17 specific questions. Some of these included: how many foster parents or foster parent pairs who have been involved in foster parenting a child or children were homosexual? Did your department conclude that the 16 year-old boy’s claim was false that his foster parents had asked him whether he performed anal intercourse with his brother?

Less than a month later, Jody Racht, the Assistant Attorney General for Vermont, informed me that asking specific questions rather than “access to identified public records” fell outside of “any provision of state law.”

So while certain policies had apparently been established to protect homosexuals -- both in the child protective agency and at the Rutland Herald -- neither institution would explain their basis. They just followed ‘the policy.’

So what was this ‘better way?’

Deputy Commissioner Moore said that, because of privacy and confidentiality concerns, no follow-up of placements with homosexuals had been conducted, nor were any contemplated. This strategy of ‘deliberate ignorance’ is not unique to Vermont. Over the past 10 years, I have talked with representatives of the District of Columbia, El Paso County (Colorado Springs, CO), and Seattle, WA -- jurisdictions which place foster children with homosexuals -- and gotten the same replies. In Colorado Springs, the wishes of the family regarding the placement of a 6 year-old boy -- whose lesbian mother was judged unsuitable to parent -- were overridden by child protective services in favor of the ‘right of homosexuals to keep their children.’ The little boy was given to a lesbian couple instead of his married aunt -- an aunt who had been chosen by the extended family as the ‘best fit’ for the boy.

The social work representatives in the other three jurisdictions with whom I had contact said that since the National Association of Social Workers [NASW] declared homosexuals to be foster parents ‘as fit’ as heterosexuals, they believed that they were as unlikely to sexually abuse their charges as non-homosexuals. Indeed, the 1987 NASW resolution decrying “resistance to using single parents,... including lesbian and gay parents, as potential foster care and adoption resources” was passed, in substantial part, to counter the traditional belief that children placed with homosexual foster parents would be at higher risk of sexual exploitation.

NASW Influence
This NASW resolution and the new ‘theory’ behind it has informed social workers for the past 15 years. In one high profile case in 1992, the faculty of the Saint Cloud State University Social Work Department told potential students that this new ‘theory’ trumped not only traditional common sense, but also any religious beliefs. These faculty decreed that ‘social homophobia’ is a form of “human oppression.” And citing the NASW code of ethics (Sec. 2.3), they noted that “accepting gay and lesbian people does not mean accepting them as individuals while simultaneously abhorring their behavior.... The only legitimate position of the social work profession is to abhor the oppression that is perpetrated in gay and lesbian people and to act personally and professionally to end the degradation in its many forms.” That is, this ‘new faith statement’ must trump any other belief -- including traditional religious beliefs like Christianity.

Is the NASW claim that homosexual and unmarried foster parents are ‘as fit’ as married heterosexuals warranted? No empirical literature concerning the issue appears to exist -- although the evidence regarding the general parenting of homosexuals suggests that it is inferior to that of the married. Under the current system for placing foster children, putting the NASW claim to an empirical test cannot be done. The bureaucrats who could track the success of homosexual foster parents refuse to do so, and -- citing privacy and confidentiality concerns -- also prevent outsiders from doing it.

The ‘faith’ of the social worker profession, consisting of resolutions passed by a tiny committee within the NASW, is sufficient. No evidence is required! What a maddening mess! Fortunately, I found a way to bypass the current bureaucratic strategy of ‘deliberate ignorance’ regarding foster placements with homosexuals. My strategy exploited recent changes in the technology of newspaper publishing.

Here Is What I Did
While a successful foster-parenting outcome does not make the news, a highly unsuccessful outcome does. If homosexual foster parents do not differ from non-homosexuals, gross failure at foster parenting -- such as the sexual molestation of foster kids -- ought to occur at rates approximately proportionate to the frequencies of homosexual and heterosexual foster parents. Lexis-Nexis Academic Universe, an internet search service, scans the whole text of over 50 regional and national newspapers, largely in the U.S., but also including major papers in Australia, England, Canada, and New Zealand (e.g., Baltimore Sun, Boston Globe, Independent [England], Ottawa Citizen [Canada]).

This past summer, I examined every news story from 1989 through 2001 that included “child molestation” -- a total of 5,492 stories. The findings were double-checked by also running “foster” against this database in early September, 2002. Only news stories or first-person accounts were tallied, not editorials nor opinion pieces, so the stories basically covered recent events, not reflections on older items.

This technique is obviously different from a comparison study where matched parents -- homosexual and heterosexual -- are randomly drawn from the total set of foster parents to see how they stack up. News stories are limited in the content they cover, nor are they necessarily consistent from reporter to reporter or paper to paper. Nonetheless, this method has its advantages. News stories are reports about ‘the real world,’ and not just responses to questionnaires from people who know they are being questioned or scrutinized.


Figure 1. Foster Parent Perpetrators by Type of Moestation(%)
Only a few of the news stories listed the sexual preferences of the perpetrators. Nevertheless, following the classification of method of infection for AIDS by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control, I was able to classify the perpetrators by the kinds of sex they engaged in (e.g., ‘male with male’ was considered homosexual, ‘male with female’ heterosexual). Since marital status is generally provided in stories about child molestation, where it was not reported, the perpetrator was assumed to be unmarried.

What I Found
Thirty stories about molestation of foster kids were located. They were numbered by date of the first newspaper story about the molestation, from 1 to 30. The location and date are given below. In 22 stories foster children were sexually abused. Five stories bore upon the character of the foster parent or guardian, though no foster child was reported as having been sexually molested. In three stories, foster caregivers molested their charges as they were held in group quarters.


Result #1. In 22 stories, the perpetrator(s) molested foster children:

1. Arlington, VA (3/2/89): An unmarried man, who had had boys placed in his home for 10 years, was charged with having sex with one of the foster boys (this was counted as one homosexual male perpetrator, one victim).
2. San Diego (3/1/89): A mother (who was married to an oft-absent husband in the military) and son lost their foster day care license when charges of possible molestation of two children were filed against her (counted as a female perpetrator and two victims of unknown sex).
4. Los Angeles (6/6/90): A man and wife lost their license when the man was accused of molesting two foster daughters (counted as a heterosexual male perpetrator and two girl victims).
7. St. Louis (10/21/90): An unmarried man, both a foster parent to one boy and the supervisor of a unit at a children’s home, was convicted of molesting his foster son as well as 4 other boys at the home (counted as a homosexual male perpetrator and one boy victim).
8. British Columbia, Canada (3/26/92): A man (marital status not provided) was released from prison for molesting a 14 year old foster daughter (counted as a male heterosexual perpetrator and one girl victim).
10. Los Angeles (7/8/93): A man and wife lost their foster care license when the man was charged with molesting 2 of his foster daughters (counted as a male heterosexual perpetrator and 2 girl victims).
11. St. Petersburg, FL (1/11/94): An unmarried man was convicted of molesting his 12 year-old foster son (counted as a homosexual male perpetrator and one boy victim).
12. Maryland (4/16/94): An unmarried judge was charged with molesting his 17 year-old foster son (counted as a homosexual male perpetrator and one boy victim).
13. San Francisco (12/13/94): A married man was convicted of molesting boys and girls, including 3 foster children (counted as one homosexual male perpetrator and 3 victims of unknown sex).
15. Atlanta (1/30/97): A married man molested his 12 year-old foster son (counted as a homosexual male perpetrator and one boy victim).
17. Connecticut (3/22/97): A man and wife lost their foster care license when he was accused of molesting his foster son (counted as a homosexual male perpetrator and a boy victim).
18. New York (6/29/97): An apparently unmarried foster mother sexually molested her foster daughter from the time she was age 5 until she was 17 (counted as a homosexual female perpetrator and a female victim).
19. Seattle (12/3/97): An unmarried couple molested an 8 year-old foster daughter (counted as a homosexual female perpetrator and a male heterosexual perpetrator and a female victim).
21. England (12/5/98): An unmarried foster parent was convicted of molesting his 12 year-old foster son (counted as a homosexual male perpetrator and a boy victim).
22. Atlanta (2/27/99): An unmarried foster parent was convicted of molesting his 3 foster children, a girl and two boys (counted as a homosexual male perpetrator and a girl and two boy victims).
23. Boston (11/3/99): A married foster parent was convicted of molesting “foster children” (counted as a male perpetrator with 2 victims of unknown sex).
24. Toronto (4/3/00): A married foster parent was convicted of molesting a foster daughter (counted as a heterosexual male perpetrator and a girl victim).
25. San Diego (4/25/00): A married foster parent was convicted of molesting two twin 9 year-old foster daughters (counted as a heterosexual male perpetrator and two girl victims).
26. San Diego (6/23/00): A unmarried foster father was charged with sexual improprieties with his foster son, 11, and hiring him out for sex with other men (counted as a homosexual male perpetrator and a boy victim).
28. San Diego (9/24/00): An unmarried openly homosexual male, living with a partner who was a convicted homosexual child molester (the partner had sexually abused his own son and daughter), was given custody of an 11 year-old foster son. He then raped him. Over the years the foster father also offered his foster son to others who were sexually interested in the boy. At least three individuals accepted the foster-father’s offer (counted as a homosexual male perpetrator and a boy victim).
29. Los Angeles (7/10/01): An unmarried woman pled no contest to the accusation of sexually abusing her 12 year-old foster daughter, and then lost her foster-care license (counted as a homosexual female perpetrator and a female victim).
30. St. Louis (12/31/01): An unmarried foster father was charged with molesting 2 foster sons, both 13 years old (counted as a homosexual male perpetrator and two boy victims).
Comment: It is noteworthy that in two of the 12 stories involving gays, the homosexual not only molested his foster son, but prostituted him as well. Something seems to be morally ‘wrong’ with homosexuals.

Result #2. Five stories concerned the character of the foster parent:
3. Boston (5/18/89): An unmarried man had illicit pictures of boys. Although he had been convicted of child molestation on a boy in 1967 (and given a suspended sentence), starting in 1977 the Massachusetts Probation Department used him as a placement for “24 adolescent males during the past 12 years.”
5. Seattle (8/28/90): An unmarried man, with whom 5 foster children were currently living, admitted to molesting two boys, 14 and 15, in his Scout troop. He had been dishonorably discharged from the Navy for “similar incidents involving young boys.”
6. St. Louis (8/31/90): An unmarried child molester had a 14 year-old boy placed in his home by the Missouri Division of Family Services. The boy’s older brother also lived with the man. The child molester had been convicted of attempted rape of and then stabbing a 12 year-old boy. It is not clear whether he had had sex with the foster boys.
9. Los Angeles (12/29/92): A man and wife lost their foster care license when the man was charged with molesting 2 of his daughters from a previous marriage.
20. Seattle (11/3/98): A unmarried foster parent of a boy was accused of molesting 5 boys. The boys were apparently from a church youth group he assisted.

Comment: Is it a statistical fluke that 3 of the 4 gay foster parents above already had ‘a record of child molestation’ and yet were given boys to foster parent? Perhaps. But the bias that child protective services seem to exhibit in favor of homosexuals offers a more chilling possibility. While the ‘fox’ is not running the henhouse, there appear to be a considerable number of ‘foxes’ in these agencies -- and in the current climate of ceding victimhood status to gays, even the non-foxes are inclined to ‘give homosexuals a second chance.’

Result #3. In three stories, children in a group home were molested:
14. Los Angeles (5/2/96): For the second time in the year, the state initiated action to revoke the foster home license of Gay and Lesbian Adolescent Social Services because an additional number of boys reported having been molested by male staff members (counted as 3 homosexual male perpetrators and 6 boy victims).
16. Wales, Great Britain (2/4/97): Dozens of staff members at 30 children’s homes sexually abused 180 victims, “most...were boys, some as young as 8.”
27. Los Angeles (8/30/00): At least 3 male counselors raped at least 3 boys and a girl at group homes. One of the perpetrators was single, and at least one boy he raped obtained a judgment against him. There were no follow-on stories about the other perpetrators.
Comment: These stories suggest character flaws inherent to the homosexual lifestyle -- flaws that put children under the care of homosexuals at considerable hazard. Note that although there are a lot of girls in children’s homes, the boys appear to be at special risk. And why was a homosexual social service allowed to run group homes?

What Do These Stories Suggest?
A pattern of disproportionate molestation of foster children by those who engage in homosexuality is evident in each of the three sets of stories above. The 22 stories involving molestation of foster children, in particular, bear directly upon whether homosexual or unmarried foster parents commit more sexual offenses against their charges. Of the 22 stories, 15 (68%) involved homosexual molestation. Of the 23 perpetrators, 19 (83%) were men, and 4 (17%) were women. Of the 19 men, 12 (63%) engaged in homosexuality. Three (25%) of these 12 were married, while 9 were single. Seven (37%) of the 19 male perpetrators practiced heterosexuality. Of these 7, at least 5 (71%) were married and at least one was single.

Of the 4 women, 3 engaged in homosexuality and were unmarried. The other was married but her sexual proclivities were not revealed. Overall, of the 22 perpetrators whose marital status was known, 13 (59%) were single.

In the 22 stories, among the 32 foster children who were victimized, at least 12 (38%) were girls and at least 13 (41%) were boys. Since 2.5 of the girls were victimized by females (counting the girl who was victimized by the unmarried man and woman as being 0.5 homosexually and 0.5 heterosexually victimized), altogether, out of the 28 victims of perpetrators where a sexual preference could be determined, 8.5 (30%) were victimized by heterosexuals and 19.5 (70%) by homosexuals. Also, of the 32 children, at least 15 (43%) were victimized by the unmarried.

So What Does This Evidence Indicate About Gay Foster Parents?
Undoubtedly, only a fraction of child molestation by foster parents over the 13 years I examined was included in any news stories. If they did ‘make the paper,’ many -- like the molestation of the boy in Vermont in 2002 that led me to conduct this study -- only made the local newspaper, not the newspapers covered by Academic Universe. But there is no reason to believe that this sample was biased against those who engage in homosexuality. Indeed, a number of the newspapers included in Academic Universe have editorialized in favor of special social protections for those who engage in homosexuality (e.g., Los Angeles Times, New York Times, Boston Globe). And these same newspapers have also expressed support for ‘marital status nondiscrimination.’ So they would seemingly little reason to ‘pick on’ gay foster parents.

That at least 15 of the 22 instances of molestation of a foster-child by a foster parent involved those who engaged in homosexuality is sharply at odds with the National Association of Social Workers’ [NASW] 1987 resolution decrying “resistance to using single parents,... including lesbian and gay parents, as potential foster care and adoption resources.” It also flies in the face of the NASW’s appeal to its members to ‘correct’ this ‘injustice.’

The empirical evidence is lined up against the NASW -- of the 21 stories where the sexual proclivities of the perpetrator could be determined, 71% implicated homosexuals! Likewise, at least 57% of the 22 perpetrators were unmarried, and they accounted for at least 47% of the 32 child victims.

Homosexuality was also a disproportionate problem in the other 8 stories. When they are around or ‘in charge’ of kids, homosexuals are far more apt to seek to have sex with them. Nevertheless, we hear a lot from talk show hosts that homosexuals are no more apt to molest kids -- tell that to the children who were victimized in these stories!

These news stories suggest that homosexuals and unmarried individuals are more apt to molest their foster charges. Because of this, they would not seem to be ‘as fit’ foster parents as married heterosexuals. The boy in story number 28, despite being raped, desired to return to live with the perpetrator. So he was apparently willing to ‘live with molestations,’ perhaps because there were other compensatory benefits in the arrangement. However, no matter how ‘great’ a parent they might be otherwise, there is no way someone can be a ‘fit’ foster parent if they sexually abuse their placements.

In a study FRI published earlier this year, interviews with 57 children with gay parents revealed that living in a homosexual home was a trying experience for children. In addition, the largest comparison study done to date -- 58 kids with married parents, 58 kids with cohabiting heterosexual parents, and 58 kids with homosexual parents -- reported that the children with homosexual parents did less well at school, less well socially, and often gave evidence of personal distress. Thus, there is no particular reason to believe that either homosexuals or the unmarried generally compensate for their sexual weaknesses by offering exceptional foster-service in ‘other areas.’

If the welfare of children is regarded as the most important consideration in foster-placement, these findings that the unmarried and those who engage in homosexuality are more likely to sexually molest their foster children suggest that the traditional aversion to their use as foster parents is rational and reasonable. Our society makes a lot of noise about ‘protecting the children’ and ‘for the sake of the children.’ But our foster system -- which may process almost half a million kids every year -- is being run throughout the country according to an alien, anti-child social philosophy.

Organizations like the NASW and many child protective service agencies across the land should lose their federal and state funding, until and unless they quit using kids’ lives as bricks to reinforce unproven assertions that ‘homosexuals are just as good’ or that ‘the unmarried are just as good.’ Kids who need foster care are usually already under considerable stress -- they don’t need social revolutionaries putting them in highly sexually-charged environments.




69 posted on 04/17/2004 6:18:26 PM PDT by johnmorris886 (It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things that men of intemperate minds cannot he free.)
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
The Scientific Evidence

Three kinds of scientific evidence point to the proportion of homosexual molestation: 1) survey reports of molestation in the general population, 2) surveys of those caught and convicted of molestation, and 3) what homosexuals themselves have reported. These three lines of evidence suggest that the 1%-to-3% (of adults who practice homosexuality (3) account for between a fifth and a third of all child molestation.

Reports of Molestation by the General Population

In 1983, a probability survey of the sexual experiences of 4,340 adults in 5 U.S. cities found that about 3% of men and 7% of women reported sexual involvement with a man before the age of 134 (i.e., 30% was homosexual).

In 1983- (4), a random survey of 3,132 adults in Los Angeles found that 3.8% of men and 6.8% of women said that they had been sexually assaulted in childhood. Since 93% of the assailants were male, and only 1% of girls had been assaulted by females, about 35% of the assaults were homosexual. (5)

The Los Angeles Times (6) surveyed 2,628 adults across the U.S. in 1985. 27% of the women and 16% of the men claimed to have been sexually molested. Since 7% of the molestations of girls and 93% of the molestations of boys were by adults of the same sex, about 4 of every 10 molestations in this survey were homosexual.

In a random survey of British 15-to-19 yr olds, 35% of the boys and 9% of the girls claimed to have been approached for sex by adult homosexuals and 2% of the boys and 1% of the girls admitted to succumbing. (7)

In science, a review of the professional literature published in a refereed scientific journal is considered to be an accurate summary of the current state of knowledge. The latest such review was published in 1985. (8) It concluded that homosexual acts were involved in 25% to 40% of the cases of child molestation recorded in the scientific and forensic literature.

Surveys of Those Convicted

Drs Freund and Heasman (9) of the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto reviewed two sizeable studies and calculated that 34% and 32% of the offenders against children were homosexual. In cases they had personally handled, homosexuals accounted for 36% of their 457 pedophiles.

Dr. Adrian Copeland, a psychiatrist who works with sexual offenders at the Peters Institute in Philadelphia, said (10) that, from his experience, pedophiles tend to be homosexual and "40% to 45%" of child molesters have had "significant homosexual experiences."

Dr. C. H. McGaghy (11) estimated that "homosexual offenders probably constitute about half of molesters who work with children." Other studies are similar:

Of the approximately 100 child molesters in 1991 at the Massachusetts Treatment Center for Sexually Dangerous Persons, a third were heterosexual, a third bisexual and a third homosexual in orientation. (12)

A state-wide survey of 161 Vermont adolescents who committed sex offenses in 1984 found that 35 (22%) were homosexual. (13)

Of the 91 molesters of non-related children at Canada's Kingston Sexual Behaviour Clinic from 1978-1984, 38 (42%) engaged in homosexuality. (14)

Of 52 child molesters in Ottawa from 1983 to 1

In England for 1973, 802 persons (8 females) were convicted of indecent assault on a male, and 3,006 (6 of them female) were convicted of indecent assault on a female (i.e., 21% were homosexual). 88% of male and about 70% of female victims were under age sixteen. (16)

Because of this pattern, Judge J. T. Rees concluded that "the male homosexual naturally seeks the company of the male adolescent, or of the young male adult, in preference to that of the fully-grown man. [In 1947] 986 persons were convicted of homosexual and unnatural offences. Of those, 257 were indictable offences involving 402 male victims.... The great majority of [whom]... were under the age of 16. Only 11%... were over 21."

"[T]he problem of male homosexuality is in essence the problem of the corruption of youth by itself [i.e., by other boys] and by its elders. [And thereby]... the creation... of new addicts ready to corrupt a still further generation of young men and boys in the future." (17)

What Homosexuals Admit

The 1948 Kinsey survey found that 37% of the gays and 2% of the lesbians admitted to sexual relations with under-17-yr-olds, and 28% of the gays and 1% of the lesbians admitted to sexual relations with under-16-yr-olds while they themselves were aged 18 or older. (18)

In 1970 the Kinsey Institute interviewed 565 white gays in San Francisco: 25% of them admitted to having had sex with boys aged 16 or younger while they themselves were at least 21. (19)

In The Gay Report, 23% of the gays and 6% of the lesbians admitted to sexual interaction with youth less than 16 years of age. (20)

In France, 129 convicted gays (21)(average age 34 years) said they had had sexual contact with a total of 11,007 boys (an average of 85 different boys per man). Abel et al reported similarly that men who molested girls outside their family had averaged 20 victims each; those who molested boys averaged 150 victims each. (22) 985, 31 (60%) were homosexual. (15)

Summary

About a third of the reports of molestation by the populace have involved homosexuality.

Likewise, between a fifth and a third of those who have been caught and/orconvicted practiced homosexuality. Finally, a fifth to a third of surveyed gays admitted to child molestation. All-in-all, a rather consistent story.

Teacher-Pupil Sexual Interaction

Nowadays parents are labeled bigots for fearing that homosexual teachers might molest their children. But if homosexuals are more apt to molest children and are in a positon to take advantage of them, this fear makes sense. Indeed, accounts of disproportionate homosexual teacher molestation appear throughout the scientific literature.

The original U.S. Kinsey study reported that 4% of the noncriminal white gays and 7% of the noncriminal white lesbians reported that they had their first homosexual experience with a teacher or other caretaker. None of the heterosexuals were recorded as having a teacher as their first sex partner. (18)

In England, Schofield reported that at least 2 of his 150 homosexuals had their first homosexual experience with a teacher and an additional 2 reported that their first homosexual contact with an adult was with a teacher. One of the 50 men in his comparison group had also been seduced by a homosexual teacher, while none of the men interviewed claimed involvement with a heterosexual teacher. (23)

In the 1978 McCall s magazine study of 1,400 principals, (24) 7% reported complaints about homosexual contact between teachers and pupils and 13% reported complaints about heterosexual contact between teachers and pupils (i.e., 35% of complaints were homosexual). 2% "knew of instances in which teachers discussed their homosexuality in class."

Of 400 consecutive Australian (25) cases of molestation, 7 boys and 4 girls were assaulted by male teachers. Thus 64% of those assaults were homosexual.

In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin, associate professor of psychology at Whitman College, conducted a 10 state survey (26) and found 199 sexual abuse cases involving teachers. 122 male teachers had abused female pupils and 14 female teachers had abused male students. In 59 cases, however, male teachers had abused male pupils and in 4 cases female teachers had abused female students (overall 32% were homosexual).

A 1983 survey asked 4,340 adults to report on any sexual advances and any physical sexual contact by elementary and secondary teachers (4% of those who were teachers in the survey claimed to be bisexual or homosexual).4 29% of the advances by elementary and 16% of the advances by secondary school teachers were homosexual. In addition, 1 of 4 (25%) reports of actual sexual contact with an elementary school teacher were homosexual. In high school, 8 (22%) of 37 contacts between teacher and pupil were homosexual. 18% reported having had a homosexual teacher (8% of those over the age of 55 vs 25% of those under 26). Of those reporting a homosexual teacher, 6% said that the teacher influenced them to try homosexuality and 13% of the men and 4% of the women said that the teacher made sexual advances toward them.

Summary

Whether examining surveys of the general populace or counts of those caught, homosexual teachers are disproportionately apt to become sexually involved with children.

Proportionality: The Key

Study after nationwide study (3) has yielded estimates of male homosexuality that range between 1% and 3%. The proportion of lesbians in these studies is almost always lower, usually about half that of gays. So, overall, perhaps 2% of adults regularly indulge in homosexuality. Yet they account for between 20% to 40% of all molestations of children.

Child molestation is not to be taken lightly. Officials at a facility which serves about 1,500 runaway youngsters each year estimate that about half of the boys have been homosexually abused and 90% of the girls heterosexually assaulted. (27) Investigation of those suffering severe chronic mental illness implicates child molestation as a primary cause (45% of Bigras et al s (28) patients were homosexually abused).

If 2% of the population is responsible for 20% to 40% of something as socially and personally troubling as child molestation, something must be desperately wrong with that 2%. Not every homosexual is a child molester. But enough gays do molest children so that the risk of a homosexual molesting a child is 10 to 20 times greater than that of a heterosexual.

Goals of the Gay Movement

The gay movement is forthright about seeking to legitimize child-adult homosexual sex. In 1987, The Journal of Homosexuality "the scholarly organ of the gay rights movement " published "Pedophilia and the Gay Movement." (29) Author Theo Sandfort detailed homosexual efforts to end "oppression towards pedophilia." In 1980 the largest Dutch gay organization (the COC) "adopted the position that the liberation of pedophilia must be viewed as a gay issue... [and that] ages of consent should therefore be abolished... by acknowledging the affinity between homosexuality and pedophilia, the COC has quite possibly made it easier for homosexual adults to become more sensitive to erotic desires of younger members of their sex, thereby broadening gay identity."

In 1990 COC achieved a significant victory: lowering of the age of consent for homosexual sex in Holland to 12 (unless the parents object, in which case it goes up to 15). (30) In the U.S. and Canada, the North American Man-Boy Love Association marches proudly in many gay pride parades with the stated goal of removing the barriers to man-boy sex. Note the phrases "oppression towards pedophilia" and "liberation of pedophilia." It is clear that those who advocate the legalization of sex between adults and children intend to argue that such conduct is a "civil right," deserving of the same legal protections afforded to other minorities. A large proportion of Americans regard that argument as a mere pretext to giving "sexual predators" free reign to take advantage of vulnerable children.

Conclusion

Not only is the gay rights movement upfront in its desire to legitimize sex with children, but whether indexed by population reports of molestation, pedophile convictions, or teacher-pupil assaults, there is a strong, disproportionate association between child molestation and homosexuality. Ann Landers claim that homosexuals molest children at no higher a rate than heterosexuals do is untrue. The assertion by gay leaders and the American Psychological Association that a homosexual is less likely than a heterosexual to molest children is patently false.
70 posted on 04/17/2004 6:19:36 PM PDT by johnmorris886 (It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things that men of intemperate minds cannot he free.)
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To: little jeremiah
AGREE!!!!

The phony argument is that somehow the Gays civil rights are not being upheld. No one ask a person applying for a marriage license if they are gay. In fact homosexuals have been getting married for years. They face the same restriction we all do, You can not marry an immediate family member, marry someone under age, or marry someone of the same sex. In fact I am sick and tired yelling for “Civil Rights,” this country has a CONSTIUTION we have CONSTITUTIONAL Rights, everything else is liberal communist garbage. So called gay marriage is nothing but defining defiance as mainstream WHEN IT IS NOT.
OutInTheColdAgain is full of it. They make it sound like America goes house to house to search out and discriminate against GAYS. Homosexuality should not be a protected class. Remember Society can not survive without a stable family, IT CAN GET ALONG JUST FINE WITHOUT GAYS.
71 posted on 04/17/2004 6:32:01 PM PDT by Exton1
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To: johnmorris886
I've also been posting that list, and found another good quote which I will freepmail you. Also at the end you can add a demand to end all age of consent laws.

People need to know that the "gay" activists want "gay" marriage solely for destructive reasons, not their stated sentimental/holy matrimony ones. They don't give a flying etc about monogamy or faithfulness. And even if they did, or a few do, that doesn't change the foundation of their position, which is the desire to destroy morality.
72 posted on 04/17/2004 6:33:41 PM PDT by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: johnmorris886
Hey! You have the first part of my tagline!
73 posted on 04/17/2004 6:35:53 PM PDT by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping + Homosexuals DO molest chidlren more than heterosexals.

Two long and informatives posts about child molestation and homosexuals. I'm sure this info has been posted before, and is in the index of links, but for those of you who haven't read it, or want some ammunition, here is it.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.
74 posted on 04/17/2004 6:57:30 PM PDT by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: little jeremiah
My, my, my. Suspended or banned, before I could get back to you. Surprise, suprise!

I guess they are out in the cold, again.

What's sad is their delusion runs so deep they can't see the obvious. The only thing we can do is continue to point it out.

75 posted on 04/17/2004 10:40:19 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
Why some people see the truth and some people don't (on this issue or others) is extremely interesting. It's because some people don't WANT to see the truth. God gives everyone what they want, (mixed with what we deserve...but His mercy is a whole 'nother thing). So if someone WANTS to remain in the darkness of ignorance with all the misery and evil that attends it, they are allowed by their God-given free will to stay in the dungeon.

But others lurking may learn.

What burns me is people who spend their precious lives trying to pull others into the darkness with them. That I can't stand, and I will fight it as long as I have breath (or fingers to type).
76 posted on 04/18/2004 12:10:08 AM PDT by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: Polycarp IV; little jeremiah
The rates of promiscuity for homosexuals is vastly higher than for normal people. Especially the rates for male homosexuals can't even be compared. Not only are the STD rates incredibly higher, but also diseases such as parasites, various kinds of hepatitis, "gay bowel syndrome", and every venereal disease known to man are extremely high. This behavior is not natural, not healthy, and no amount of money thrown (wasted) on it will help.

PING-ing Dr. K. You might want to comment on this?

77 posted on 04/18/2004 1:03:26 PM PDT by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism..." M.G.)
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To: kstewskis
Looks like the pro-homo troll has already been refuted, repudiated and banned...not sure I could add much to that ;-)
78 posted on 04/18/2004 1:10:06 PM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: Polycarp IV; little jeremiah
True. But you never know who else might be lurking? :)

I thought of you because your abundance of medical resources backs up exactly what little jeremiah stated.

Freegards!

79 posted on 04/18/2004 1:15:10 PM PDT by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism..." M.G.)
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
she is a teacher and her partner is a physician and they are having a sham wedding next Easter.
80 posted on 04/18/2004 2:49:38 PM PDT by reg45
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