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A good one from Steyn.
1 posted on 04/15/2004 4:25:21 PM PDT by NovemberCharlie
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Ping to the Steyn List, and to your list.
2 posted on 04/15/2004 4:26:00 PM PDT by NovemberCharlie
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To: NovemberCharlie
I missed Charlie's Angels and now that its out on DVD, I can see the attraction it had for people back then not to mention all that eye candy!
3 posted on 04/15/2004 4:29:01 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: NovemberCharlie
America and Europe have stretched the formula way beyond breaking point. It can't be put back together.

Sums up his point nicely.

Unfortunately, he's right.

4 posted on 04/15/2004 4:37:41 PM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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Just over a year ago, in one of those wretched Security Council performances before the Gulf War, the French Foreign Minister, Dominique de Villepin, turned to Colin Powell and offered the umpteenth variation of the familiar argument that, if we Europeans are resistant to ze idea of war, it is because we have seen so much of ze horrors of ze war. The reality is the other way round: the reason they've seen so much of the horrors of war is because they're so resistant to the idea of it - until it's too late and conflagration is all that's left.

Ta Da! Steyn, holy kelbasa! You're beautiful!!

6 posted on 04/15/2004 4:44:24 PM PDT by mc5cents
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To: NovemberCharlie
bump for later enjoyment.
7 posted on 04/15/2004 4:46:29 PM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: NovemberCharlie
The reality is the other way round: the reason they've seen so much of the horrors of war is because they're so resistant to the idea of it - until it's too late and conflagration is all that's left.

Steyn gets right to the point like nobody's business.

8 posted on 04/15/2004 4:49:38 PM PDT by workerbee
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Another excellent one from Steyn.
9 posted on 04/15/2004 4:54:00 PM PDT by TopQuark
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The reality is the other way round: the reason they've seen so much of the horrors of war is because they're so resistant to the idea of it - until it's too late and conflagration is all that's left.

Maybe they're so tired (in an existential sense) of killing each other, so guilt ridden (justifiably so) that they desire to be killed by outsiders.

10 posted on 04/15/2004 4:58:37 PM PDT by Stentor
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If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
11 posted on 04/15/2004 5:01:09 PM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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I think you might enjoy this article.
12 posted on 04/15/2004 5:01:14 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: NovemberCharlie
pse·phol·o·gy
n.
The study of political elections.



[Greek psphos, pebble, ballot (from the ancient Greeks' use of pebbles for voting) + -logy.]


psephologist

n : a sociologist who studies election trends
13 posted on 04/15/2004 5:02:32 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: NovemberCharlie
Steyn BUMP
14 posted on 04/15/2004 5:08:02 PM PDT by spodefly (I've decided not to include a tagline with this post.)
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To: NovemberCharlie
Whether or not Madrid is Rome and Berlin and Amsterdam and Paris, it certainly isn't New York.

New York is starting to turn into Madrid.
16 posted on 04/15/2004 5:09:12 PM PDT by motzman (Remember Fabrizio Quattrocchi - Hero)
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To: NovemberCharlie
if we Europeans are resistant to ze idea of war, it is because we have seen so much of ze horrors of ze war. The reality is the other way round: the reason they've seen so much of the horrors of war is because they're so resistant to the idea of it - until it's too late and conflagration is all that's left.

The old saying, 'you attract what you fear'.
18 posted on 04/15/2004 5:12:13 PM PDT by John Lenin (Imagine there's no Liberals, It's easy if you try ...)
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To: NovemberCharlie
Haven't seen Starsky & Hutch, nor will I - but I think the real point is that Americans believe in chasing down the bad guy & punishing him. Europeans believe in hoping the bad guy attacks their neighbor.

Altho the Italian who was recently murdered gives me hope that a few countries may still have a few men left...
19 posted on 04/15/2004 5:12:37 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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But, where will Europe go in the longer run? The Europeans are the ultimate classists. You belong to a certain class, are born to it, in fact, or you don't. The Muslims live here but they don't belong here. One of the characteristics of classism is that it is bivariate. They are easy to hate and, at some point, easy to fight.

The closest we come is black and white race. But, it is not no longer them and us. And, if fact, interracial marriage in the US takes place at a rate impossible for European and Muslims.

The European dichotomy will lead to bloodshed and as sensitive as the Europeans are to the changes in isms over the years, they have shed blood over differences in religion and will do it again.

20 posted on 04/15/2004 5:15:13 PM PDT by Tacis
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To: NovemberCharlie
I dunno, I feel like we're losing our country to the same forces.

If things get real bad and Texas secedes, I'll be in the Lone Star Republic ASAP.
21 posted on 04/15/2004 5:18:00 PM PDT by adam_az (Call your state Republican party office and VOLUNTEER FOR A CAMPAIGN!!!)
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To: NovemberCharlie
Wonder what the french are going to do when the Islamists reach the majority and outlaw wine?
22 posted on 04/15/2004 5:20:33 PM PDT by McGavin999 (Evil thrives when good men do nothing.)
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To: NovemberCharlie
He's right about their cynicsm --- 'commuinists, fascists come and go but my neighborhood and my village has survived them all, back to the Romans'.

But the flood of Muslims is different in kind. Instead of a new political ideology sweeping the land, it's a new people, entirely, uprooting the village and the neighborhood itself.

It ain't just a new ideology. It's a replacement population and a replacement culture.

23 posted on 04/15/2004 5:28:37 PM PDT by squarebarb ("You gotta learn to street-fight with these vermin." --- Michael Savage)
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To: NovemberCharlie
Thanks for posting this! I adore Steyn, and especially like this line:

By contrast, an American's sense of himself as an American is much more explicitly political - it's about First and Second Amendments, or, according to taste, a "woman's right to choose". The United States is a political project in a way that Spain - imperial, Fascist, monarchist, republican, pacifist, Euro-federalist, your-ideology-here-ist - isn't.

37 posted on 04/16/2004 10:42:56 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (Having Gorelick on the 9-11 Commission is like having Shrillary investigate what causes Arkancide.)
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