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GORELICK GATE: Rule Created Legal 'Wall' to Sharing Information
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/14/politics/14LEGA.html?ex=1082606400&en=f7e0a4df6df3da68&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE ^ | April 14, 2004 | By NEIL A. LEWIS

Posted on 04/14/2004 7:14:21 AM PDT by joinedafterattack

WASHINGTON, April 13 — On Tuesday, witnesses and commissioners pondered the role of "the wall" in the Sept. 11 attacks.

Attorney General John Ashcroft told the 9/11 commission that "the wall," a legal barrier in the government preventing intelligence investigators from sharing information with criminal investigators, was the most important structural impediment to preventing the attacks.

The wall, which has since been demolished by a special appeals court ruling, was part of a body of law that was little known to the public. It involved secret testimony and decisions by a special federal court that ruled on the requests of government investigators to install wiretaps or other listening devices on people suspected of being involved in espionage. The 1978 law that created the court, known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, set a lower threshold for counterintelligence agents to obtain permission for secret surveillance of espionage suspects than was required for investigators in criminal cases.

To prevent criminal investigators from using the intelligence act to seek warrants, officials and courts gradually created a rule keeping the two spheres largely separate. It was known in the government as the wall.

Applications for criminal warrants must comply with the Fourth Amendment's proscriptions against intrusive searches and required an official declaration that there was "probable cause" to believe a crime had occurred. By contrast, the intelligence surveillance law required only a showing that there was probable cause that the subject was the agent of a foreign power.

Much of this little-known legal debate became public in November 2002 when a special federal appeals court ruled that the wall had been destroyed by the counterterrorism law called the USA Patriot Act, which was enacted after the Sept. 11 attacks. But the court added a stunning observation, saying that even without the counterterrorism law, the wall had never been necessary and that courts and Justice Department officials had misinterpreted the law for more than 20 years.

"Effective counterintelligence, as we have learned, requires the wholehearted cooperation of all the government's personnel who can be brought to the task," the court wrote. "A standard which punishes such cooperation could well be thought dangerous to national security."

In his Tuesday testimony, Mr. Ashcroft pointedly blamed one of the commission members, Jamie S. Gorelick, for enacting the wall. Ms. Gorelick was the deputy attorney general in the Clinton administration who signed regulations in 1995 enforcing the wall.

"In 1995, the Justice Department embraced flawed legal reasoning, imposing a series of restrictions on the FBI that went beyond what the law required," Mr. Ashcroft said, adding that the wall specifically impeded investigations into two of the terrorists who hijacked aircraft on Sept. 11.

Confusion over how to interpret the wall also figured in the dispute of why the F.B.I. refused the request of its agent Colleen Rowley to seek a court authorization to explore the computer of Zacarias Moussaoui, who was arrested in August 2001 on immigration violations. Inspection of the computer would have disclosed information showing that Islamic extremists were taking flight lessons in the United States.

"Somebody built this wall," he said, citing Ms. Gorelick's 1995 secret memorandum.

"Although you understand the debilitating impacts of the wall, I cannot imagine that the commission knew about this memorandum. So I have had it declassified for you and the public to review. Full disclosure compels me to inform you that the author of this memorandum is a member of the commission," a reference to Ms. Gorelick.

The appeals court that demolished the wall said, however, that it had been erected earlier and was only codified by Ms. Gorelick.

The court also said that it was "quite puzzling that the Justice Department, at some point during the 1980's, began to read the statute as" requiring a separation of the two fields of counterintelligence and criminal search warrants.

In her questioning of Mr. Ashcroft, Ms. Gorelick did not refer to the issue of her 1995 memorandum. But Slade Gorton, a former Republican senator from Washington, challenged Mr. Ashcroft, noting that the deputy attorney general under Mr. Ashcroft renewed the 1995 guidelines. Mr. Gorton said the Bush Justice Department ratified those guidelines, saying in its own secret memorandum on Aug. 6, 2001, that "the 1995 procedures remain in effect today."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911commission; aschcrofttestimony; ashcroft; gorelick
Gorelick gate: What did Gorelick do and when did she do it.
1 posted on 04/14/2004 7:14:25 AM PDT by joinedafterattack
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To: joinedafterattack
Why is she even on this commission?

Oh, I forgot. They are staging a farce.
2 posted on 04/14/2004 7:17:20 AM PDT by OpusatFR (John Kerry - Cheezewhiz for the mind - marshmallow mush for the masses)
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To: joinedafterattack
Notice that the actor is not named in the headline. Some vague "wall" is the culprit, not the person who crafted it. If this directive had been created by Ashcroft, the NY Times headline would scream "Ashcroft Crafted Rule That Blinded the FBI to 9/11" or something like that. Instead, the NY Times seeks to downplay a far, far bigger bombshell than the August PDB that the Dems have been fussing over.
3 posted on 04/14/2004 7:19:47 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: joinedafterattack
Notice that the actor is not named in the headline. Some vague "wall" is the culprit, not the person who crafted it. If this directive had been created by Ashcroft, the NY Times headline would scream "Ashcroft Crafted Rule That Blinded the FBI to 9/11" or something like that. Instead, the NY Times seeks to downplay a far, far bigger bombshell than the August PDB that the Dems have been fussing over.
5 posted on 04/14/2004 7:20:00 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: joinedafterattack
As I said on one of the other 5 threads on this topic, everyone agrees that the one thing that might have helped in stopping 9-11 would have been better communication between the agencies.

Now we learn that Goreleick was the chief proponent of building a bigger and higher "wall". In other words, it was her fault and this memo is the smoking gun.

6 posted on 04/14/2004 7:23:51 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: OpusatFR
Oh, I forgot. They are staging a farce.

True.

As further evidence, we have the presence of Dick Ben Veniste, and the pompous Bob Kerrey.

And the very forgettable Whatshisname Roemer.

Dammit, did I say "Send in the clowns?"

7 posted on 04/14/2004 7:27:13 AM PDT by Ole Okie (John F'n Kerry: "Just a gigolo, everywhere I go, people know the part I'm playing...")
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To: joinedafterattack
Okay. Now the commission is a comedy. Anyone on it who wants to be taken seriously will demand to get rid of Gorelick, and to have it done with a big flourish.

I thought it might be possible to get along even with the political grandstanding and premature commentary of the members. At least they were making their motives public for all to see.

The secretive Gorelick is a shocker, though, and leaves me wondering what other secret interests are represented on the commission.

8 posted on 04/14/2004 7:27:36 AM PDT by Marylander
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To: joinedafterattack
Slade a RINO that looks like he is not well, would not begin to mention that if in the first year of office, the FBI and CIA was allowed to share information the RATS and ACLU would have screamed NAZI even louder than the do not. How disingenuous can he/they be.
9 posted on 04/14/2004 7:33:53 AM PDT by q_an_a
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To: joinedafterattack

Remove Jamie Gorelick

Commission member Jamie Gorelick, a former deputy attorney general in the Clinton administration, told a different morning show "there is a major game of finger-pointing going on around here. Our job is to get to the bottom of it."

You can see why she doesn't particularly care for finger-pointing as all fingers point to her. She had better get used to it in the days ahead!

10 posted on 04/14/2004 7:49:56 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: dirtboy
It isn't until paragraph 8, that Gorelik is mentioned. If it had been a Republican that had screwed up, iy would have been in the headline, and repeated in each of the first two paragraphs.

Isn't fair and objective news reporting, great??! /sarcasm

11 posted on 04/14/2004 8:12:19 AM PDT by DeweyCA
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To: joinedafterattack
Typical New York Times obfuscation. When the news of Clinton allowing sensitive technology to be transferred to Red China came out, the NYT story on the subject made it sound like most of the damage was Ronald Reagan's fault.

It would be interesting to know the basis of the "more than 20 years" statement--does that mean that it dates back to the Carter administration and the law passed in 1978?

12 posted on 04/14/2004 8:13:10 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Ole Okie
Dammit, did I say "Send in the clowns?"

Don't forget the co-chairs, Hamilton and Kean, otherwise known as Mumbles and Bumbles.

13 posted on 04/14/2004 8:14:28 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: Verginius Rufus
It would be interesting to know the basis of the "more than 20 years" statement--does that mean that it dates back to the Carter administration and the law passed in 1978?

Church Commission.

14 posted on 04/14/2004 8:15:15 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: dirtboy
Church Committee Reports
15 posted on 04/14/2004 8:18:43 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Blue Highway
Remove Jamie Gorelick

I called the number and was told the call volume is so high they are asking for letters. The address is

National Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United States
301 7th Street SW, Room 5125
Washington DC 20407

16 posted on 04/14/2004 8:24:06 AM PDT by Marylander
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To: Marylander
The e-mail address is: info@9-11commission.gov.

"Thomas Kean" should be in the Subject heading.

17 posted on 04/14/2004 8:30:04 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Marylander
The secretive Gorelick is a shocker, though, and leaves me wondering what other secret interests are represented on the commission

It may have been a secret to the general public, but it was not a secret to the people who put her on this commision. She is there for a reason - to make sure that the Clinton administration is not blamed for their own mistakes.

18 posted on 04/14/2004 8:44:42 AM PDT by knuthom
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To: joinedafterattack
INTREP - GORE-LICK - ironic name, if you ask me.
19 posted on 04/14/2004 9:21:09 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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