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To: Havoc
You are blaming Bush for people not paying you what you think you are worth. The government does not owe you a job.

Maybe you're right. I'm going to write a letter to President Bush right now to demand that he tells my employer that I am worth $100k per year. Bush should also threaten my employer with economic ruin and maybe even jail time if he even thinks about firing me. Because it's MY JOB, MY SALARY, right? Please...

If you want a better paying job you have to earn it. Don't stomp your feet, throw a tantrum and hold your breath until you are blue in the face. Going back to school to get a better paying job is very difficult and it takes years of tightening the belt. You may need some help on the way and that's understandable. But having the government force others to change so that you can live how you want to is just plain wrong.

77 posted on 04/09/2004 1:40:48 PM PDT by rudypoot (I am a free traitor, deal with it.)
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To: rudypoot
Excuse me. I'm not asking for a higher paying job. I'm not demanding a higher paying job. I didn't ask the government to get me a job or threaten anyone. I have a middle class job that is going away not because we didn't perform enough, we're tops, we've never failed, never dropped the ball and the company is making a fortune off us.
I get a small fraction of what they make on my seat. And I'm not one that goes shouting for raises or complaining they aren't giving me anything - on the contrary, I am one who signed up to work for a given rate and haven't asked for anything more.. ever. I have gotten two raises in 4 years though because of my performance and a few small bonuses on top of that. I'm one of the very few that has.

I earned my position. It's being sold out from under me to mexican labor for no other reason than mexican labor is cheaper and the client wants the cheaper mexican labor now because it's available. If it weren't available, we wouldn't be having this discussion. And it took Nafta to do it. Prior to nafta, this would have fallen under anti-dumping laws. So it's not like I'm asking for something that didn't exist before.

All the same, thank you for tacitly lying about my position or misconstruing it decietfully. You can't argue what's there; but, you sure can run your mouth.
81 posted on 04/09/2004 1:57:14 PM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: rudypoot; clamper1797; Havoc; ARCADIA; kevkrom
If you want a better paying job you have to earn it. Don't stomp your feet, throw a tantrum and hold your breath until you are blue in the face. Going back to school to get a better paying job is very difficult and it takes years of tightening the belt. You may need some help on the way and that's understandable. But having the government force others to change so that you can live how you want to is just plain wrong.

Has it dawned on you that the brunt of this recession has been borne by highly educated people ? Engineers, IT professionals, skilled manufacturing workers, etc. In 2000, 58% of people earning six figures supported free trade. Today, it is 28%. So obviously it has dawned on highly educated middle aged workers, all of them, that their jobs can be done in India for a pittance. Telling such a person to "retrain" is unspeakable foolishness. He doesn't want to hear any crap about starting over at the bottom at age 45+. He wants to keep the job he has and support his family at the standard of living they now have. He is not going to consider his life expendable to the "global economy" or "free trade theory". And this November he is going to vote for a presidential candidate who promises to put his wellbeing and the wellbeing of his family ahead of comparative advantage textbook theory.

If American workers are asked to put up with pervasive job insecurity and "start your own business" or "move to where the jobs are" or at worse "suck it up, loser" crap from free traitors, they will demand European levels of social safety net protection. As the percentage of American workers without health insurance continues to rise, expect national health insurance to become a winning issue for Democrats.

107 posted on 04/09/2004 3:13:25 PM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: rudypoot
77 - "I am a free traitor, deal with it.) "

Well - tell us what your job is, so we can send it overseas, so we can save money on your salary and improve your productivity immensely.
259 posted on 04/10/2004 7:17:12 PM PDT by XBob
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