To: discostu
706 - boy, what history are they teaching you kids these days?
If you will follow
You wrote:
"But that isn't what led to Stalin's Russia. The Czarist government ran a command economy, serfdom but not capitalism. And the economy was in pretty good shape, at least as good as any serf-state which has a vested interest in keeping a certain section of the people poor. And it didn't lead to Stalin's Russia, it lead to Lenin's Russia, Lenin's death and his lack of strong associates led to Stalin's Russia, and Stalin's rampant paranoia is what made Stalin's Russia so evil. "
Repression and poverty of the masses under serfdom (bad economy for the serfs) lead to revolution, which lead to anarchy of civil war, and a short lived (2 years) republic, which lead to marxism/leninism, which died when lenin died shortly after which lead to stalinism, who murdered millions of 'capitalists', the kulaks because of massive starvation (bad economy).
If I remember correctly, The bad economy was caused by bad capitalists, kulaks (the only capitalists left in russia), who, in spite of a very bad and dangerous wheat mold, poisonsous, harvested their wheat and made it into bread, which ended up killing millions of people either from the bad wheat or from starvation. This provided the perfect opportunity for Stalin to take their land, and get rid of opposition at the same time.
711 posted on
04/14/2004 7:43:19 PM PDT by
XBob
To: XBob
Actually what they taught us in the mid-80s was exactly the kind of anti-capitalist pro-commujnist crap you're spouting. Said crap bears no actual resemblance to what really happened, but wealth hating liberal NEA members don't consider the truth of how communism rose convenient.
No the bad economy in Russia was NOT caused by captialism. They didn't even have capitalism. Their bad economy was because they had a ruling class that owned almost everything and were inept. Part of the problem with a command economy is that when the person in command is a moron the economy is toast. Add to that the tremendous weight the Czarist lifestyle put on the economy (gold gilt palaces don't pay for themselves you know) and you have ruination ripe for rebellion (a rebellion which had been brewing since shortly before our Civil War and had been dealt with to varying intencities by half a dozen Czars, a couple of whom actually tried moving Russia away from serfdom and toward capitalism, other members of the ruling class didn't like that and helped the rebels for a while... the Russia revolution is really quite facinating and a worthy thing to study).
You don't remember correctly. Stalin killed people to protect himself. He was a blood thirsty dictator who wouldn't allow anyone he thought even had a chance of overthrowing him to live. One of the major groups of people he executed were surviving members of Lenin's revolution, they'd proven able to overthrow a dictator once and he wasn't going to give them a second chance. Now he might have labeled them kulaks, but that's just the kind of lie a blood thirsty dictator tells to make their pograms more palatable to the people.
715 posted on
04/14/2004 8:01:05 PM PDT by
discostu
(Brick urgently required, must be thick and well kept)
To: XBob; discostu; Petronski
If I remember correctly, The bad economy was caused by bad capitalists, kulaks (the only capitalists left in russia), who, in spite of a very bad and dangerous wheat mold, poisonsous, harvested their wheat and made it into bread, which ended up killing millions of people either from the bad wheat or from starvation.Wow, this is a first. Stalin slaughtered the Kulaks, but they deserved it?
Did the Jews deserve it too? Just curious.
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