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To: discostu
Your problem is that you take things to far. Duty to the law is achieved through duty to profit,

No, it is not. Nor does saying it make it true. Nor is it either logical or historically sound.

breaking the law is usually unprofitable.

Ah the familiar look of squirming in place. *usually*. So we've gone from duty to the law being achieved through duty to profit and it is now that this is *usually* the case. Fidget, wiggle and handwring. One wonders what your next position will be.

Slavery was profitable. Slavery was made illegal. And rather than comport with the law, those advocating the disenfranchisment of the rights of Black and Caucasions in this country in slavery decided to go to war to have their way. All I had to do is grab blindly at history to pull it out of the ether as an example. There are countless more - it's not like it taxes anyone to grasp these things.

Corporations don't have a duty to any constitution,

Really, is that why treason committed by a company in time of war is actionable? Do tell. No duty to any constitution. Tell you what, go break the embargo to Cuba blatently and let's see how long you stay a free man. If you are bound by it, you have a duty to it. You'd rather we not dwell on such things; but, you're a liar and I've just demonstrated it with a known fact.

They also don't have a duty to "the people",

Ah, but it's the people who hold you to the constitutional penalties of treason in wartime if you see fit to violate them. Just who are you seriously intending to kid here?

Words do mean things, and when you repeatedly take things well beyond their logical conclusion

Well beyond - you mean like far enough to make you look like an ass for saying assanine things like you have no duty to any constitution. I mean, It isn't like Enron isn't sitting out there as an example of a company made to answer to the people and the constitution for it's wrongdoing. Yet you say these things as if we should just close our eyes and turn off our brains so we can be lulled quietly into subservience with the discostu free traitor lulliby. And I'm purposedly using the term free traitor because it fits - not because it is insulting, though given the demonstrable lies you present in your position - and readily demonstrable at every turn as being lies, the insult fits.

The sophist here is yourself, taking everything too far

Maybe you should shut up for five minutes - seriously - not intended as gruff - just shut up for five minutes and look at this from another mindset. Back away from the philosophy and put down the talking points, then start looking at it from a standpoint of logic. a + b = c. You can't on the one hand proffer that you have no duty to the Constitution of the United states while admitting you can be held for treason by violating Government restrictions in wartime or otherwise. I don't go too far, I just demonstrate the absurd by displaying it's absurdity for all to see. The truth is the truth. You state these things as though true but in examination at even a basic level their is no truth to the statements. If you can't live up to a basic standard of truth, that's your problem. It's also why we have to regulate business - because rather than be forthright, business will sometimes do and say things without regard to truth so long as there is profit in it. That includes having you on this thread to spew propaganda that is demonstrably false on it's face.

502 posted on 04/12/2004 1:56:59 PM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: Havoc
Clever editing. Try reading the sentences you deleted, they're the ones that prove my point. The fact that you edited them out, ala the liberal media, to twist my words, again, into something I didn't say shows once again that you are nothing but a liar.

I gave you an example of when breaking the law was profitable, and why that was a problem that society needed to fix and how it was fixed.

Actually slavery wasn't profitable, but the slave owners foolishly thought it was. In the end having willing workers results in higher output and quality of work.

"actionable" cute word. What's actually been done to corporations that supposedly commited treason? The US government paid GE for the factories they bombed.

Not kidding anyone. Just telling the truth "the people" is an amorphous construct that has no real meaning. Who are "the people", do they include people that voted for Al Gore, people that want to end Free Republic, people that want America to turn communist, Islamic terrorist infiltrators? What is a corporation's duty to them? Corporations have a duty to investors and share holder, and nobody else. Deal with it.

No by well beyond I mean to the point where you out yourself as a LIAR.

Hey you keep avoiding the WalMart question:
Were YOU being UNETHICAL when YOU worked for them and helped them UNDERCUT competition? stop dodgin and answer the question Havoc. You said corporations that undercut the competition are unethical, you used to work for one, is this a late conversion or are you just a pathetic lying hypocrite?!
504 posted on 04/12/2004 2:05:49 PM PDT by discostu (Brick urgently required, must be thick and well kept)
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