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To: Havoc
I get this notion from having worked in startup companies, and numerous established companies. While some in the company might want to help society the goal of the corporation as an entity is and always will be profit. If people want to help the world they make non-profit organizations, if you want to make money you make a corporation.

Wrong again, when people make product for money they know to make the best product possible, it's called a recurring revenue stream. If your tank sucks countries won't buy it and you stop making money.

I feel like I need to give you a lesson in REALITY and how it works. There's nothing immoral or unethical about working for money. Money is how you pay bills, put a roof over your head, feed kids, and have something to put in the poor-box at church. Money makes the world go around. That's why we work, that's why companies exist. And until you get that you'll always be on the outside of life looking in.
464 posted on 04/12/2004 8:08:40 AM PDT by discostu (Brick urgently required, must be thick and well kept)
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To: discostu
I feel like I need to give you a lesson in REALITY and how it works.

Well, you gave me the propaganda of theory as though it were reality because the public is less offended with textbook theory that real life practice. It isn't even questionable that GM tried to get it deemed illegal to own a car longer than 10 years. My whole family worked for GM till Delphi split from them. They all complained about it from top to bottom. And GM's policy going forward after the attempt failed was to build in obsolescence. Nothing is made to last anymore.. it's all cheaper cheaper cheaper and junk junk junk. The number one consumer complaint is that most of what they buy today is junk - not because it looks or acts shabby; but, because it breaks down or falls apart so readily. Ya'll seem to forget who you're trying to kid - I spent 10 years in sales. I speak from long direct and practical experience.

I complain about it myself. I spent $140 on a nice AT&T cordless phone outfit. Dropped the phone 2 1/2 feet off my desktop onto deep plush shag carpet with 1" pad underneath and it destroyed the phone's lcd. I bought a VCR three years ago for a little more than that to get some nice features - it's dead and has been for a year. I bought a 3 disk dvd changer for around $250 in the same time period. It became a doorstop 6 months ago. Computer tech - I started off with a nice high end HP cdrw package about 4 1/2 years ago. It lasted a year. I replaced it with another high end piece that was dead in the box from Phillips when I got it home. I replaced that the next day and six months later had to do a repeat. In the past 3 years I've been through 4 cdrw drives on two different machines that have both been upgraded. I bought a GE washer dryer pair with my first Trailor. In four years I put three new sets of coils in the dryer and had to replace the transmission on the washer. Both high capacity units and it was just me using them for the majority of that time. I mean, I don't have to go very far to pull endless examples right out of thin air. None of us have to. How many of us here own at least one piece of sawdust furniture with bowing shelves and or destroyed bases from moving them?

I know how the stuff is because I've had to sell it and I've had to sign off on the return of the product as well. Practical personal and business experience.

And I didn't say it was unethical to work for money. I do beg to differ that this is the only motive behind a business. It may be for you; but, when I go to work for someone, I look at their ethic and why they got into it. I also talk to their employees and people who know the business before I get myself involved nowdays. Right now, I'm looking for a non-corporate job if I can find one that isn't taken; because I'm sick to the gills of corporate greed. When I was asked my personal and professional opinion years ago at Walmart by a customer with regard to our computer lines, I was truthful to them and they came back to buy from me, though they didn't buy the Packard bell doorstops we were selling. Management was pretty ripped about that. But I had a clientel in a retail store because people trusted my judgement. And when I left, they left. Walmart wasn't concerned about the truth, they just wanted to sell the junk they put on the shelves. Packard bell went belly up within months after I left Walmart. I like to feel like I had some to do with that in convincing people not to drive themselves mad with that junk; but, they were getting sued to death because they were junk.

That's Reality. I don't know who you think you're shining; but, you perhaps need to reassess.

468 posted on 04/12/2004 9:59:18 AM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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