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To: Havoc; discostu
I don't know where you get this notion that corporations and business only exist for profit. Profit is the primary motive; but, the furthering of societal goals is a rather important part of business.

When people who don't own the corporation get the government to force the corporation to do what they want, rather than what the owners want, that is socialism.

I guess if it gets you what you desire, that's ok, but it's still socialism.

Start your own company get your own investors and do all the good for societal goals you desire. Just keep your hands off other peoples property.

390 posted on 04/11/2004 10:34:32 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: Toddsterpatriot
When people who don't own the corporation get the government to force the corporation to do what they want, rather than what the owners want, that is socialism.

What, you mean like getting them to stop using slave labor? Child labor? Sweatshop labor?... We as the public have every right to put restrictions on you because as in any other area of life, people time and again cannot be trusted to do the right thing. There have been more than a few good books written and movies filmed on such issues. You act like it's never been done before and that no right exists to put limits on the behavior of people. That isn't socialism, that is civility.. ensuring that society has some measure of protection from those in our midst who would use use and or abuse us.

There used to be a time in this country when people would ask of themselves what the rammifications were on other people before they made weighty decisions. Today that has been replaced by concern solely over money. Personally, if I have to live under constant threat of ruin by tyrants, I'm better off to shred my SSN, sell what I have and find a nice piece of moutainside where no one will bother me. When you can't get civilized conduct from what purports to be civilization, it ain't worth it. If you can't provide security in a society, It offers nothing. We might as well all be living on a mountainside, we'd at least know we could rely on ourselves. It's a pretty deep subversion when you teach people that the things they've setup in society to secure themselves can't be counted on. It's nothing short of pseudo organized anarchy. And that is why it leads to revolution. But that is also why we make laws to prevent such subversions.

You know what Tojo, Mussolini, Hitler, Ghengis, Attilla, and Napoleon all have in common - they all thought they were doing something for the greater good. And they even said as much. It's their actions and results that tell us otherwise, just as now with free trade.

398 posted on 04/11/2004 11:22:56 PM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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