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To: Havoc
The guy works for EDS, they have been importing Asians for years and they were already outsourcing in the late 1990s. This guy had to be blind not to see the writing on the wall. Now he's complaining??

I've given up harping about it. It's not Bush's fault he just wrongly looked the other way same as Clinton. Now there's no reversing it. There is going to be a lot of pain in the IT sector before it gets any better. I just happen to be lucky and have other well paying opportunities. I pity those who were trying to raise a family thinking IT was their ticket to the American dream.

The important thing to remember is that the economy is secondary to our security as a nation. Kerry has no plan on the table that will do anything to stem the offshoring. The same way he has no plan to protect this country.

379 posted on 04/11/2004 7:06:23 PM PDT by stig
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To: stig
This guy had to be blind not to see the writing on the wall. Now he's complaining??

To be fair; even if he suspected that a layoff was probable, there is not a whole lot that you can do about it. This is an industry wide problem. It is not like your company is laying off and the guys down the street are hiring. Perhaps he could have taken a hike down to the local health care facility:

Guy: I need a new job, my employer is going to
outsource my position.

Facility: Well we were looking for a brain surgeon...

Guy: Can I train on-the-job?
380 posted on 04/11/2004 7:48:49 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: stig
The guy works for EDS, they have been importing Asians for years and they were already outsourcing in the late 1990s. This guy had to be blind not to see the writing on the wall. Now he's complaining??

Well, let's see, I think I've been over this earlier. Let's revisit, shall we. Four years ago I got sick with pneumonia. I was a good salesman at the time; but, the business I worked for got sick about the same time I did. It took six months fighting everyday for a few more minutes here and there till I couldn't stand and a few times collapsed. I wouldn't give up. But within a few months of working part time bad hours on commision and making nothing - I was tapped. By that time, business had pretty much died and I couldn't live on it because there was no traffic coming through. I was also getting written up monthly because I was sick and therefore not performing with no traffic.. Go figure.

Long story short, My Motorcycle - my only transportation - died. The engine seized at 70. Thirty Days later, my home which I hadn't been able to afford to insure burnt to the ground. If you want a complete picture, I lost my girl while I was in the hospital so it was a real happy time.

When I started at EDS it was an answer to a dream because I'd been wanting for 10 years to work for them. They opened a new facility to support Delphi Automotive so that Delphi could seperate it's support desk from GM. For the first time, I was in a carreer, not a swingshift hope to get buy job. I saw this as the company Ross Perot put together. Ross treated his people well - like human beings. But as with every other case in modern history, when the founder goes and a board takes over, people stop being human beings and start being a constraint on how much more money could be made if only..

You Pile work on people till they strain under the load and work them like dogs till they burn out.. Do you know they actually know standardized burnout rates for how long they can work a person under gruelling conditions before they snap or leave or both. They get real itchy comin up on that time frame. Corporate america believes in buying a race horse and running it full tilt till it drops dead. Compensation is a properly worded bit of psychobabble slap on the back to make you understand "we appreciate you [for earning us all this money and putting up with our abuse with no real reward for all the extra work]."

I'll digress back to my point. EDS looked like a sound place to go at the time. I'd do it again in the same circumstance because I trusted in the integrity of a name that had earned that integrity under Ross to the extent that not a single person I've worked with in the last 4 years that was there when Ross still ran it could find a solitary bad thing to say about him. Not one. And that is monumentally difficult to find.

EDS has been the fullfillment of a dream in more ways than one. They've treated me like gold up to now. And my local bosses are still trying to look out for us while our coporate heads have sold us out. It feels like good cop bad cop. Or Mom soothing your nerves while Dad accepts the check to sell you into slavery. We've been through hell and back for our client and our company for 4 years. And the thanks we got for doing it for them both is to be disowned because we're Americans.

I thought highly of both companies when I hired in. I see a number of things Delphi could do to fix a lot of problems they have; but, I'm not sure at this point that you can really tell Delphi anything anymore than you can tell EDS anything. Nor am I motivated at the point of losing my job to be of any more help to the guy cutting my throat than I have to be. Delphi is self destructing at the direction of a few people IMO. I don't know that I can really say more than that due to confidentiality; but, Their own move to Mexico In my opinion will buy them time and time only.

We at the Helpdesk already know that our function for Delphi is pretty much mission critical. And from experience dealing directly with Mexico, the move to Mexico will be nothing short of an epic disaster. I don't think I was dumb to go there. I think I was wise in the matter given the facts on the ground. But corporations just can't seem to help themselves - their best product regardless of the name on the door is something you used to only see in combat hardened veterans and the desperately poor: The thousand yard stare.

393 posted on 04/11/2004 10:51:49 PM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: stig; Havoc
379 - "The important thing to remember is that the economy is secondary to our security as a nation. "

Without a good economy, there is no security.

Terrorism kills thousands.

A bad econcomy kills/disables millions and disables our country and our military.
395 posted on 04/11/2004 11:11:49 PM PDT by XBob
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