An Open letter to President Bush (End run vs. Outsourcing)

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[Toddsterpatriot]

What, you mean like getting them to stop using slave labor? Child labor? Sweatshop labor?... We as the public have every right to put restrictions on you because as in any other area of life, people time and again cannot be trusted to do the right thing.

So, EDS is using child, slave or sweathop labor?

Notice the irony in your post?

We as the public....people time and again cannot be trusted to do the right thing.

So, my people cannot be trusted so your people have the right to restrict.

Gotta control those greedy kulaks, they're hurting the revolution. You've become a parody of yourself.

[XBob]

392 - "If this were a contained economy, then people would immediately see prices rise, shortages, and product cancellations every time they added yet another stupid regulation. On the other hand they would see the benefit of reducing excess tasking. As a first step in improving our domestic business environment we will need to scale back our dependence on imported products."

Good arguments. We have enough consumption here to drive any amount of production, if we could keep it here, and everyone would make a lot of money and be happier (in this country) except for people like ToddsNoPatriot.

[Toddsterpatriot]

That's a pretty big mouthful there, considering the Government is US. You're essentially stating you're at war with the average citizen and that the citizen must lose in order to keep you in posh surroundings.

I'm at war with ignorance, not the average citizen.

I didn't say the citizen must lose, I said the government will lose. Big difference.

So, the government is us, the people, but the corporations are not people? Just some evil malevolent force?

Last time I looked, corporations were people too. Owners, workers, suppliers and customers.

[Toddsterpatriot]

So, I suppose you're in favor of sugar import quotas and steel tariffs? Gotta protect that US industry, right?

[ARCADIA]

Last time I looked, corporations were people too.

People yes; but, not necessarilly American people. Our values and objectives are not always compatable.

[ARCADIA]

Our = the multiple billions riding this rock through space.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Corporations can't compete with companies overseas paying 1/3 - 1/10th the rate in wages paid here.

Yeah, that's why the Nigerian software giants are crushing Microsoft.

[XBob]

they our outsourcing our technology and our industry, idiot.

"in addition to GM, taking steps to ensure a long-term commitment, bringing advanced technology to China, and establishing "Delphi China as a strategic link in Delphi's global business chain" through export programs. They intend to accomplish these goals by continuing to invest in both wholly owned and joint venture operations, which will indirectly bring new technology into the country, as well as establish Delphi as a major competitor in the industry. They also intend to continue expanding their customer service and technical service centers to continue their customer focus. In addition, a new technology center, which will assist with the transfer of technology into China,"

http://www.thadmurphy.com/worksample/writingsample.html

[Toddsterpatriot]

they our outsourcing our technology and our industry, idiot.

There you go again. You keep claiming ownership of corporations that don't belong to you. I thought it was the corporation's technology and industry.

[Toddsterpatriot]

GM and Delphi are doing what they do to make a profit, you agree?

[XBob]

Send my corporation money money money. Greed.

That's your philosophy - rapacious greed and anarchy.

Give me money for my corporation !!!!

[Toddsterpatriot]

That's your philosophy - rapacious greed and anarchy.

So, you disagree with the statement "Greed is good"?

[XBob]

403 - "So, the government is us, the people, but the corporations are not people? Just some evil malevolent force? "

Can't you spell ENRON??

[Havoc]

So, EDS is using child, slave or sweathop labor?

They bailed on the US market for a buck and hired Mexicans at subpoverty wages compared to here which essentially creates a climate of dumping that undercuts US based business and puts them at risk of failure. I've equated it with slave labor. Don't know quite what else you call it when you take a skilled, highly fluid job that requires daily adaptation and hire pigmies to do it. It really isn't any different, pigmies would do the job cheaper than the mexicans but for government reliability issues. But then, ya'll think that you're safe in Mexico, China and India - until they nationalize your investment and take it over. There's nothing stopping them from doing it and every expectation that they will at some point. And what do your investors do then?

And I do fail to see the irony in the post. The point is, that in every instance we the people had to act to end the tyranny of the relative few. In the instance of Slavery it was business owners protesting the loss of slaves because they didn't feel they could make "enough" profit to stay afloat unless they treated fellow human beings like animals. Not too much different from today. But there's a vested interest in keeping people working at poverty and sub-poverty rates isn't there... I mean, who would really ever rent an apartment if they could earn enough money to buy a home. I never would have. Who would buy mobile homes if they could afford to buy a house.. Who would buy cheap crap partical board furniture that warps out of shape in 6 months if they could afford to buy real wood instead of sawdust and glue. Just like there's no profit in making anything that is of any lasting quality.. I remember when GM was fighting to try and get law passed that forbade owning a vehicle for longer than 10 years. When they ran up against the law, who refused to do so, they decided since they couldn't get a law, they'd just build in obsolescence. To garauntee they would get return business.

It's ok for you corporate types to protect your position, but it's a crime if anyone expects that an employee would even try... one wonders why you corporate types are better than the worker.

[XBob]

409 - "There you go again. You keep claiming ownership of corporations that don't belong to you. I thought it was the corporation's technology and industry."

Ah, but they do. As long as they are chartered here in the US, they are OUR corporations, and OUR technnology and OUR tax dollars built the roads, protected them, set up the laws and the security, and the country and the stability to succor them - YES THEY ARE OUR CORPORATIONS AND OUR TECHNOLOGY. THEY DON'T BELONG TO INDIVIDUALS, THEY BELONG TO THE COUNTRY.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Can't you spell ENRON??

Enron was an evil, malevolent force?

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ah, but they do. As long as they are chartered here in the US, they are OUR corporations, and OUR technnology and OUR tax dollars built the roads, protected them, set up the laws and the security, and the country and the stability to succor them - YES THEY ARE OUR CORPORATIONS AND OUR TECHNOLOGY. THEY DON'T BELONG TO INDIVIDUALS, THEY BELONG TO THE COUNTRY.

Finally, Socialism!!! Why didn't you say so earlier.

[XBob]

Where's your money???

I want my money back which supported/s your corporations here in the US.

[XBob]

416 - "Enron was an evil, malevolent force?"

Oh, I forgot - you without morals and ethics. ENRON is one of your heros, stealing billions and billions of dollars from people, with lies, theft, and swindling.

[Toddsterpatriot]

They bailed on the US market for a buck and hired Mexicans at subpoverty wages compared to here which essentially creates a climate of dumping that undercuts US based business and puts them at risk of failure.

So, you would restrict the ability of an American company to hire Mexicans?

Then you would also have to restrict the importation of any product that a foreign company made which used Mexican workers.

Is that what you're suggesting? Would that solve your problem?