Push Is On to Give Legal Immigrants Vote in New York

NY Times ^ | April 8, 2004 | ROBERT F. WORTH

[KC_Conspirator]

Thank god I live in California. The rest of the country is REALLY going to hell.

LOL!

Next is giving Mexican and French citizens the right to vote in the USA.

[sixmil]

Thank god I live in California. The rest of the country is REALLY going to hell.

LOL. I wonder which state will be the first one to secede from the union. I have my money on Cali. We basically have to do everything by voter intiative, and that process is already fradulent.

[neverdem]

LOL, voting by the deceased is stll alive and well in many large cities in our country, wherever they supervise elections. I'm sure democrats have learned the technique around the world.

[lonewacko_dot_com]

NYCPP is one of the groups. From http://www.gadgetfarm.com/noa/jobbank/job_detail.cfm?ID=1622

"The New York Civic Participation Project (NYCPP), a project of La Fuente a Tri State Worker & Community Fund, is a join initiative of labor unions and community organizations that promotes immigrant and worker rights through engaging union members in community organizing.
The NYCPP was initiated by SEIU Local 32BJ, HERE Local 100, AFSCME DC 37, Make the Road by Walking and the National Employment Law Project. The NYCPP also works closely with other union, community and city-wide partners."

[TxBec]

I think Texas has that legal option.

[cyborg]

big mistake

[Cacique]

This is a slap in the face to every citizen and particularly naturalized citizens like myself. People who are not citizens have not given an oath to the US Constitution, they have not committed themselves to become Americans. Citizenship will become even more worthless and the idea of the nation state made up citizens loyal to it will become meaningless.

For a long time there has been a small movement on the left that claims that the presidency of the US is too important to be left to only americans to vote. This is the crack in that door. The internationalist collectivists who want to hand over power to the UN will have their way. Loyalty to the nation has become a meaningless concept.

My father is turning in his grave. Even after having fought in WW II in the US army it did not give him an automatic right to become a US citizen with the right to vote. Now they intend to hand it out like it was candy. While the enemy from without attacks our borders the fifth columnists from within destroy our institutions.

[cyborg]

I agree... what will motivate non-US citizens to be citizens if they are allowed to vote? It's bad enough that a lot of natural born Americans don't take civics and government responsibility seriously.

[Dante3]

All the terrorits need then is smuggle enough people into the country and they can control the election. Pure insanity, proposed by traitors.

[hellinahandcart]

With every one of these hairbrained ideas, the left makes citizenship worth less and less.

Not surprising; it is already meaningless to them.

[Mears]

Why bother becoming a United states citizen? What's the point anymore?

[familyofman]

"Giving immigrants the right to vote will not be an easy sell, even in New York. Some proponents say they will be content for the moment if they can force people to rethink a fundamental issue."

Okay - I rethought the issue and am still vehemently in opposition to having any one other than US citizens voting in elections. Another really bad idea that should be thrown on the trash heap of ideas that have no merit.

[hellinahandcart]

Nowhere in this article is there any mention of how they're going to prevent non-citizens from voting in state and national elections, once they're permitted to register.

I suppose they think we should put people who have broken the law to come here on the "honor system", and just trust they will not pull the lever for President once they're in the booth.

[summer]

his e-mail to his resident spokesmouth (summer)

LOL...well, thanks. I guess. Sounds like some kind of paid position, but I assure you it is not. I really am a public school teacher.

And, I do realize people did not like that position he took. So, perhaps, sometimes, it is he who learns something. Ever consider that?

Also, I believe a learning curve has been evidenced before, as in the case of Terri S. in FL. I do feel one major reason she is still alive because of the outrage constinuously expressed here on FR -- and no "resident spokesmouth" take credit for that. It is the individuals who kept up their outrage that finally made the difference. It could happen again, IMO.

[summer]

Nowhere in this article is there any mention of how they're going to prevent non-citizens from voting in state and national elections, once they're permitted to register.

I was thinking about that, too, after I read this article.

[summer]

Why bother becoming a United states citizen? What's the point anymore?

That thought, too, crossed my mind when I read this article today. It seems the lines are continuously being blurred.

[summer]

Nationally, there are more than 10 million legal immigrants who are not citizens, according to estimates based on census figures. Some are waiting to become citizens, a process that often takes as long as 10 years with the current backlog of applications. Others are not eligible for citizenship because they are here on temporary visas, or have simply not applied.

I was wondering about this on the other thread (re Gov Bush) -- why does it take so long to become a citizen, for those who want to be citizens (and not illegal or "legal" immigrants)?

Is the reason we have all these new proposed laws concerning immigration simply because the govt is just too inefficient to timely handle issues of citizenship?

So, the answer, of some, is to toss aside the entire concept of citizenship?

That what it is sounding like to me - We here in the govt can't get caught up with all this paperwork, so, what the h*ll; let's just abandon the concept of "citizenship." I don't think current citizens, across the board, will ever buy that line of thinking from the govt.

[summer]

I meant to type: Also, I believe a learning curve has been evidenced before, as in the case of Terri S. in FL. I do feel one major reason she is still alive is because of the outrage continuously expressed here on FR -- and no "resident spokesmouth" can take credit for that. It is the individuals who kept up their outrage that finally made the difference. It could happen again, IMO.

[summer]

And, in other news I read today -- we have a legislator who wants to eliminate the legal concept of "marriage":

WIPE OUT MARRIAGE: LEGISLATOR

NY Post, By FREDRIC U. DICKER

April 8, 2004 -- ALBANY - The same-sex marriage controversy took a new and dramatic turn yesterday as one of the state Legislature's few openly gay members proposed abolishing marriage altogether in New York.

Assemblywoman Deborah Glick (D-Manhattan) said she would introduce legislation today to remove all references to marriage from the state Domestic Relations Law and replace them with the term "civil unions."

"There would be civil unions for all," Glick told The Post.

She said religious and civil unions could still be called "marriages" under her proposed law, but that the term would have no legal standing.

Glick said she had 12 Assembly Democrats backing her proposal, including Daniel O'Donnell of Manhattan, another openly gay lawmaker and brother of Rosie O'Donnell, and Richard Brodsky, a potential candidate for attorney general in 2006, of Westchester.

But she said she had no sponsor for the measure in the Republican-controlled Senate.

"I suspect, that in the end, the courts will deal with the blatant inequality that is existing in the law today," said Glick.

[Clemenza]

The Italians (at least in Rome) are already doing this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1106959/posts

When in Rome, do as the Romans do? NOT!