FR Exclusive: Jeb answers questions about his support of drivers licenses for undocumented workers

Jeb's emails to FR poster, summer | April 6, 2004 | Jeb Bush

[lewislynn]

Good questions all but threy'll no longer be "criminal" aliens.

To get a Florida license/insurance you'll also need a SS card. Bush says it will only be good in Florida. Since he can't enforce federal law, how can he dictate what's legal in other states? Other states could step up and honor illegal Florida licenses and even transfer them.

Florida license + SS card = backdoor amnesty...Period.

[lewislynn]

Good questions all but they'll no longer be "criminal" aliens.

To get a Florida license/insurance you'll also need a SS card. Bush says it will only be good in Florida. Since he can't enforce federal law, how can he dictate what's legal in other states? Other states could step up and honor illegal Florida licenses and even transfer them.

Florida license + SS card = backdoor amnesty...Period.

[longtermmemmory]

This is interesting, in that it means that any ILLEGAL alien would be immediately identified by their DL. It is often now impossible to identify an arestee as illegal.


Bellow are the current rules:

Obtaining Your Florida
Driver's License or Identification Card

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• United States Citizen
• Original Driver License or Identification Card
• U.S.Citizens With Out-of-State Licenses
• Renewals, Duplicates or Replacements
• Name Change

  Non-United States Citizens

• Original Driver License or Identification Card
• Canadian Citizens
• Renewals, Duplicates or Replacements
• Name Change
• Non-United States Citizen Issuance Offices

  General Information for Everyone

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United States Citizens

Florida law requires identification, proof of date of birth and social security number (if issued) from all customers before a driver license or identification card can be issued. Each U.S. citizen who applies for an original driver license or identification card must submit:

One of the following (3) documents:

1. Original or certified United States birth certificate, including territories and District of Columbia; or
2. Valid United States passport; or
3. Certificate of Naturalization
4. Effective April 10, 2002, United States Military ID cards with an officer rank will be accepted as proof of citizenship only; however, not as proof of primary identification.
5. NOTE: Proof of citizenship or legal presence may be required for renewal, duplicate or replacement licenses. Please come prepared to present one of the above identification documents as proof of citizenship or legal presence.

And a secondary document, which substantiates the primary document, is required. Document may include, but is not limited to, the original or certified copy of one of the following:

1. School record stating date of birth, which must contain the registrar’s signature.
2. Transcript of the birth record filed with a public officer charged with the duty of recording certificates.
3. Baptism certificate, which shows date of birth and the place of baptism.
4. An insurance policy on the customer’s life which has been in force for at least two years and has the month, day and year of birth.
5. United States military or military dependent identification card.
   • Effective April 10, 2002, United States Military ID cards with an officer rank will be accepted as proof of citizenship only; however, not as proof of primary identification.
6. Florida or out-of-state driver license, valid or expired.
7. Florida license record or identification card record.
8. Selective Service Registration (Draft Card).
9. Florida Vehicle Registration certificate (HSMV 83399, owner’s copy) obtained from the tax collector’s office where the customer’s vehicle was registered, Florida, or out-of-state registration certificate, if name and date of birth are shown.
10. Florida and out-of-state non-driver identification cards (state issued).
11. Receipt copy of your last Florida driver license issuance.
12. Immigration form I-571.
13. Federal form DD-214 (military record).
14. Marriage certificate.
15. Court order, which includes legal name.
16. A Florida voter registration card, which was issued at least 3 months previously.
17. Personal identification by an examiner or by a person well known to the examiner.
18. Social Security Card.
19. Family bible record or birth announcement in baby book.
20. Parent consent form of minor.
21. Out-of-country driver license or identification card, government issued

United States Citizens With Out-of-State Licenses

Any person who holds a license or identification card from the District of Columbia, United States Territories or one of our 50 states (with the exception of those listed below) may present his/her license or ID card as primary identification document. An approved secondary identification document is also required. A social security number, if issued, MUST be included on the application.

Important Note: Driver licenses from the following states

Alaska Connecticut Hawaii Illinois Indiana

Iowa Michigan Minnesota Nebraska New Jersey

North Carolina Oregon Rhode Island Tennessee Texas

Utah Vermont Virginia Washington Wisconsin

are acceptable as secondary identification and to reciprocate driving privileges, and must be accompanied by one of the following:

1. Original or certified United States birth certificate (including territories and District of Columbia)
2. Valid United States passport (not expired)
3. Certificate of Naturalization.
4. Effective April 10, 2002, United States Military ID cards with an officer rank will be accepted as proof of citizenship only; however, not as proof of primary identification.

Name Change for United States Citizens

If you have legally changed your name by marriage or court order, you must submit the original or a certified copy of your marriage certificate or court order. No photocopies will be accepted unless certified by the issuing authority.

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Non-United States Citizens

Original Driver License or Identification Card Florida law requires identification, proof of date of birth and social security number (if issued) from all customers before a driver license or identification card can be issued.

Immigrants
Each immigrant who applies for an original driver license or identification card must submit:

1. Alien Registration receipt card, (Green card, Form I-151 or I-551); or
2. I-551 stamp in passport or on I-94; or
3. Immigration Judges Order, with the customer's A-number, granting asylum; or
4. I-797, with the customer's A-number, stating the customer has been granted asylum; or
5. I-797 or another form from the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services, with the customer's A-number, stating the customer's application for Refugee status is approved; or

Non-Immigrants

Each non-immigrant who applies for an original driver license or identification card must submit:

1. Employment authorization card issued by the United States Department of Justice (Form I688B or I-766); or
2. Proof of nonimmigrant classification provided by United States Department of Justice (Form I-94, not expired, with required supporting attachment(s). If in doubt regarding required documents, please bring all of your INS documentation with you.). I-94s must be accompanied by a Passport. Certain classifications require additional documentation. Some examples are:
   • F-1 and M-1 classification must also be accompanied by an I-20.
   • I J-1 or J-2 designation must be accompanied by an IAP-66.
   • Refugee, asylee and parolee classifications must be accompanied by additional documentation.
     
     

The following documents will only be accepted with a supporting document, including but not limited to a Passport, Florida Driver License or Identification Card, Driver License from any other state, Employment Authorization Card, Employer Identification, Identification from home country, Identification from school or college, Social Security Card or other INS document.

3. I-571 Travel Document/Refugee Travel Permit
4. I-512 Parole Letter Accepted
5. IJO- Asylum or Cancellation of Removal - Immigration Judges Order granting Asylum or Cancellation of Removal.
   • All required and supporting documents MUST be original or certified.
   • Documents must be valid for more than 30 days from the date of issuance.
   • Non-U.S. citizens applying for an original driver license will be issued a 30-day, no photo, paper temporary permit and a receipt. Non-U.S. citizens applying for an identification card will be issued a receipt.
   • All records are transmitted to our database in Tallahassee, where the information will be examined and run against FDLE, FBI and INS databases.
   • Upon identity and legal status verification, a driver license or identification card will be issued within 30 days from Tallahassee, mailed to the address on the driver record. The license or identification card will be issued for the period of time specified on the INS document.
   • If a problem is detected, a denial of issuance letter will be mailed to the customer.

Canadian Citizens

Under federal law, Canadian citizens are non-immigrants and are allowed to stay in the U.S. without obtaining INS documentation. Canadians without INS documents must provide proof of Canadian citizenship to be issued a Florida driver license or identification card by presenting two of the following documents:

1. Canadian passport
2. Canadian driver license
3. Original or certified Canadian birth certificate

4. Canadian Naturalization Certificate

All Canadian citizens will be issued an original or renewal driver license for two calendar years from the date of issue.

If you are not a Canadian citizen and have a Canadian driver license, you are required to provide the same proof of legal presence as any other non-U.S. citizen.

Renewals, Duplicates or Replacements for Non-United States Citizens

• Any immigrant holding a driver license or identification card who needs a renewal, duplicate or replacement driver license or identification card must apply in person at a driver license office at least one time after March 1, 2002, and re-present his/her identification documents required by Florida law.
• Any non-immigrant holding a driver license or identification card who needs a renewal, duplicate, or replacement driver license or identification card must apply in person at a driver license office and present identification and legal presence documents.
• If you do not have the required documents showing legal presence, your driver license or identification card will be retained and a receipt issued. If you have an unexpired driver license, you will be issued a 30-day temporary permit. When you return with the required documentation, you will be processed for a renewal, duplicate or replacement license and the expiration date will be changed to the expiration date on your INS document.

Name Change for Non-United States Citizens

• If you have legally changed your name by marriage or court order, you must have your name changed on your CIS documents. A receipt from CIS indicating form I-90 has been filed for a name change is acceptable for a name change on your driver license or identification card.
• Canadian Citizens: If you have legally changed your name by marriage or court order, you must have your name changed on your Canadian license, and/or passport before applying for a name change on your driver license or identification card.

 

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[NathanR]

Under Federal law, no state has the power to deport anyone; it is exclusively the domain of the Federal government.

Typical copout. They could always arrest them and turn them over to the INS, but apparently that is too hard.

Ø agree to a criminal background check from their country of origin, the state of Florida and the United States.

So Cuba would agree to this?? I think not!

They will have a distinct look from standard driver licenses.

Good, but will not last.

The problem with all this, that anyone who can qualify for this, probably already has a driver's license issued by his home country and does not need one issued by Florida.

[Alamo-Girl]

Bump!

[Redbob]

"Granted, it is not possible to round them up and deport each one of them,..."

Why is that? Why cede that point?
Are you saying we cannot enforce our laws because the law-breakers are too numerous?

On a separate topic:
Why on earth would Gov. Bush think a "criminal background check" conducted by e.g. Mexico would accomplish ANYthing whatsoever?
How out of touch with reality can the man possibly be?

[familyofman]

One more question - how much in campaign contributions did Jeb get from companies/individuals that employ illegals?
Is there a connection to campaign contributors and Jeb's 'looking the other way'?

[Joe Hadenuf]

He isn't saying anything that wasn't said previously by Gray Davis.

As usual, we in Cal have already been through this kind of garbage, with our own government socialist. It's no different, all the same government agenda. Except California's hung Gray Davis from a political rope, ending his political life in total disgrace.

The problem here is, this guy is a Republican. So your going to get hear from those that try and bend and support this thing and tell how it's good for us now.

These are the same people that routinely put their beltway party before country.

The lunatics are finally in charge of the asylum.

And I feel like Charlton Heston in the Planet of the Apes.

[george wythe]

Thank you for posting this e-mail from Jeb.

Whether we agree or disagree with him, we are better informed by reading her personal take on this issue.

I personally disagree with him on this bill, but I appreciate reading the reasoning behind his decision.

Once again, thank you for doing the right thing and requesting from information from the governor personally.

Friends can disagree, but they always talk to each other.

[george wythe]

we are better informed by reading her his personal take on this issue.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Thanks Summer...I'll have to absorb this a little later and compare with the similar situation with Arnold out here in California.

Let me help you. The politicos in Cal attempted to pander to criminal illegal aliens by giving them legitimate drivers licenses, they may still get away with it. As their *clear* goal is to undermine our sovereignty and our borders. And they are doing a darn good job of it. Look at the landscape. Politicos all over the country are offering reduced tuition, welfare, food stamps, driver's licenses, all on the bending backs of the tax payers.

Now the Republican governor in Florida is doing the same thing. As your absorbing this, you'll realize it's a complete sellout.

[Redbob]

"Do you think it is possible to deport 10 million people?"

Absolutely!
They came here, didn't they?

Maybe not by luxury jet airliner: might have to press a few cattlecars into service.

"...his wife somehow goofed up the red tape.

What some people call "red tape," other folks call "laws."
Some of us try to abide by them.

[F.J. Mitchell]

What will be the penalty for Illegals caught driving without the special permits, once this law goes into effect?

Pretty stiff penalties don't keep Drunk Drivers from going right on driving after their licenses have been suspended.

The states do have their hands tied on this problem. Maybe the states can enact laws that allow them to deport illegal aliens to DC. Since the Feds. are unwilling to do their duty,let them live with the problem.

Thanks, Summer, for getting thiis info for us.

[SealSeven]

My question is, how will this benefit the invaders or the citizens? Why would they want to get this "license" when all it will do is cost them in insurance, Vehicle maintenance in order to pass requirements?
In other words, why pay for it when you can get it for free?
If im missing something here, please advise me -
Or, as I stated on another thread, this would make a great sting operation where law enforcement (INS) can can easily arrest and deport anyone applying for this sham license.

[Brownie74]

4. Will criminal aliens be able to use these I.D.'s to illegally register to vote?

I don't believe these people should have any rights but Motor Voter is a big issue with me.

If they get on the voter rolls we'll have Speedy Gonzales in the White House.

[beachn4fun]

still nothing stating the need for them to speak English! But, good going. Continue to fight the good fight!

[azhenfud]

I think your concern is similar to mine as stated in my post #44.

Unless it is for a sting operation, there's little chance it'll help the situation, but an extreme probability Illegaliens will take it as THEIR victory over OUR LAW.

[Freedom2specul8]

Thanks for posting!

Bookmarked to read later..

[Libertina]

LOL Always a bright side, eh? ;)

[Iscool]

Do you think it is possible to deport 10 million people? I don't think it is possible.

We can't do it in a week, but we can certainly do it...