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IRAQ: 12 Marines, 66 Iraqis Killed in Battles
The Las Vegas Sun ^ | April 06, 2004 at 18:16:01 PDT | HAMZA HENDAWI

Posted on 04/06/2004 6:22:06 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

NAJAF, Iraq (AP) -

Insurgents and rebellious Shiites mounted a string of attacks across Iraq's south and U.S. Marines launched a major assault on the turbulent city of Fallujah on Tuesday. Up to a dozen Marines, two more coalition soldiers and at least 66 Iraqis were reported killed.

Reports from the city of Ramadi, near Fallujah, said dozens of Iraqis attacked a Marine position near the governor's palace, a senior defense official said from Washington. "A significant number" of Marines were killed, and initial reports indicate it may be up to a dozen, said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

U.S. authorities also launched a crackdown on radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr al-Sadr and his militia after a series of weekend uprisings in Baghdad and cities and towns to the south that took a heavy toll in both American and Iraqi lives. The fighting marks the first major outbreak of violence between the U.S.-led occupation force and the Shiites since Baghdad fell a year ago.

Two more coalition soldiers - an American in Baghdad and a Ukrainian in Kut - were killed in fighting. The deaths brought the three-day total to up to about 30 Americans and 136 Iraqis killed in the worst fighting since the war that toppled Saddam Hussein.

In the Ramadi fighting, heavy casualties were inflicted on the insurgents as well, officials said. It was not immediately known who the attackers were, nor whether the attack was related to fighting under way in nearby Fallujah.

On the Fallujah front, Marines drove into the center of the Sunni city in heavy fighting before pulling back before nightfall. The assault had been promised after the brutal killings and mutilations of four American civilians there last week. Hospital officials said eight Iraqis died Tuesday and 20 were wounded, including women and children.

U.S. warplanes firing rockets destroyed four houses in Fallujah after nightfall Tuesday, witnesses said. A doctor said 26 Iraqis, including women and children, were killed and 30 wounded in the strike. The deaths brought to 34 the number of Iraqis killed in Fallujah on Tuesday, including eight who died in street battles earlier in the day.

The dusty, Euphrates River city 35 miles west of Baghdad is a stronghold of the anti-U.S. insurgency that sprang up shortly after Saddam's ouster a year ago.

With fighting intensifying ahead of the June 30 handover of power to an Iraqi government, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld said American commanders in Iraq would get additional troops if needed. None has asked so far, he said.

State Department deputy spokesman Adam Ereli said al-Sadr and his followers were not representative of a religious cause but of "political gangsterism."

The 30-year-old al-Sadr, however, does not have a large following among majority Shiites - many see him as a renegade, too young and too headstrong to lead wisely.

"They're not acting in the name of religion, they're acting in the name of arrogating for themselves political power and influence through violence, because they can't get it through peaceful persuasion," he said.

Five Marines were killed Monday - one in Fallujah and the others on the western outskirts of Baghdad. A U.S. soldier was killed in Baghdad Tuesday, a day after two more were killed there. On Sunday, two soldiers were killed in Kirkuk and Mosul. Excluding the report out of Ramadi on Tuesday evening, at least 614 American troops have died in Iraq since the war began.

Marines waged a fierce battle for hours Tuesday with gunmen holed up in a residential neighborhood of Fallujah. The military used a deadly AC-130 gunship to lay down a barrage of fire against guerrillas, and commanders said Marines were holding an area several blocks deep inside the city. At least two Marines were wounded.

The crackdown on al-Sadr, who has drawn backing from young and impoverished Shiites with rousing sermons demanding a U.S. withdrawal, sent his black-garbed militiamen against coalition troops Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.

Fighting in the southern cities of Nasiriyah, Kut, Karbala and Amarah and in a northern Baghdad neighborhood killed 30 Iraqis, coalition military officials said. Tuesday evening, gunfire was heard in another part of Baghdad, Sadr City, where fierce battles occurred Sunday, residents said.

Fearing a U.S. move to arrest him, al-Sadr on Tuesday left a fortress-like mosque in the city of Kufa, south of Baghdad, where he had been holed up for days, his aides said.

Al-Sadr issued a statement saying he was ready to die to oust the Americans. He urged his followers to resist foreign forces.

"America has shown its evil intentions, and the proud Iraqi people cannot accept it. They must defend their rights by any means they see fit," the al-Sadr statement said.

"I'm prepared to have my own blood shed for what is holy to me," he said.

Al-Sadr moved to his main office in Najaf, in an alley near the city's holiest shrine, according to a top aide, Sheik Qays al-Khaz'ali. Hundreds of militiamen were protecting the office Tuesday, but there was no independent confirmation al-Sadr was there.

Perhaps more worrisome than the current fight with al-Sadr's forces is the possibility that he will start drawing support from more mainstream Shiite leaders who have largely supported the Americans until now.

The U.S.-led coalition announced a murder warrant against al-Sadr on Monday and suggested it would move to capture him soon. U.S. officials would not explain why they were only releasing word of the warrant Monday. They said an unnamed Iraqi judge had issued it in the past months.

Still, the heavy battles over the past three days showed that even with limited backing, al-Sadr's al-Mahdi Army militia is capable of a damaging fight.

The militiamen clashed with coalition troops Sunday in Baghdad and outside Najaf in fierce fighting that killed 61 people, including eight American soldiers.

In Nasiriyah on Tuesday, 15 Iraqis were killed and 35 wounded in clashes between militiamen and Italian troops, coalition spokeswoman Paola Della Casa told an Italian news agency Apcom. Eleven Italians troops were slightly wounded.

Della Casa said the Iraqi attackers used civilians as human shields, and a woman and two children were among the dead.

Fighting overnight in Amarah between al-Sadr's followers and British troops killed 15 Iraqis and wounded eight, said coalition spokesman Wun Hornbyckle.

In Kut, militiamen attacked an armored personnel carrier carrying Ukrainian soldiers, killing one and wounding five, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry said. Two militiamen were killed in the fight. Ukraine has about 1,650 troops in Iraq.

U.S. Marines encircled Fallujah early Monday, and on Tuesday, they penetrated several central neighborhoods for the first time. Mortar and rocket-propelled grenade blasts were heard, and one witness said a Humvee was ablaze.

Heavy fighting also occurred between Marines entrenched in the desert and guerrillas firing from houses on Fallujah's northeast outskirts. For hours into the night, the sides traded fire, while teams of Marines moved in and out of the neighborhood, seizing buildings to use as posts and battling gunmen. Helicopters weaved overhead, firing at guerrilla hide-outs.

"We are several blocks deep in the city of Fallujah," Marine Maj. Briandon McGolwan said. He said several helicopters were hit by small arms fire, but none were downed. He said Marines had detained 14 people since Monday.

L. Paul Bremer, the top civilian administrator in Iraq, conceded not all was going smoothly as the coalition approached the June 30 handover, a date he said was inviolable.

"We have problems, there's no hiding that. But basically Iraq is on track to realize the kind of Iraq that Iraqis want and Americans want, which is a democratic Iraq," he said on ABC's "Good Morning America."

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Associated Press reporters Bassem Mroue and Lourdes Navarro contributed to this report from Fallujah.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alsadr; iraq; muslims
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To: Tribune7
>>How many of those soldiers & Marines do you feel don't believe in their mission?<<

I don't know. But they will do the work they signed on for regardless. Too bad the politicians fail them.
221 posted on 04/06/2004 8:51:30 PM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: Greg Weston
Which stupid neo-cons are you talking about? My guess is that you are talking about the Civilians that are running the war. Bremer, Rumsfeld, Wolfasomething, etc.
222 posted on 04/06/2004 8:51:53 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: I got the rope
That's some of them...
223 posted on 04/06/2004 8:53:11 PM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: Luis Gonzalez; Joe Hadenuf
"This is probably going to be an e-mail not liked by some but here goes anyway. I think we need to find out what means something to these animals (and something has to) perhaps their families. There has to be a love for their children or wives, more than likely their children more than their wives. These scumbags don't care about themselves because they feel they are being martyrs for the "greater good" of their people. You know what, that's fine but if they think that once they do something like homicide bomb innocent people, that their children will be killed at our hands not on their terms such as raising them to also be homicide bombers they might think an extra second about it.

Like I said, this is horrible to think about but if doing this would have people second guess they're primative thought and mmost impotantly save American lives then guess what.... I don't think there are many other choices."


As irony would have it, I posted this on 2/11/04 to Joe Hadenuf, I still think this would make some think ???
224 posted on 04/06/2004 8:55:09 PM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Or do you prefer fighting them at your front door?

Fight who at our doors?

Are they going to send their armies here? Or just sneak in a few hundred or thousand with agendas of death?

Are you talking about stopping the million man conga line at the border? Or are you thinking their going to send their airforce or navy here?

They send in teams to inflict damage.

You think?

Why risk losing one or more members, and jeopardizing the operation by trying to sneak across the SW border, when they can simply get a Visa and some airplane tickets?

Oh they're going that route again eh Louie? Got it all figured out huh?

So we just ignore those trucks entering with tons of pot, trucks with 80 people crammed in, and we all know they miss the huge majority of this. Who knows what could already be in this country. Don't think it could happen louie? Do you not see what else could possibly enter?

Mexico is a corrupt country, they do anything for a bribe. A million enter every year from God knows where. Are you starting to see a slight security risk here? Think hard Louie, you need not be a security expert.

And no Louie, we wont kill them all on the dusty streets of Iraq, or any other country. Not even a tiny fraction.

225 posted on 04/06/2004 8:56:16 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: MEG33
hahaha, every time you think you're out, he keeps pulling you back in, huh?
226 posted on 04/06/2004 8:58:21 PM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: Joe Hadenuf
One note,always the one note.
227 posted on 04/06/2004 9:00:11 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: MEG33
Brilliant!
228 posted on 04/06/2004 9:01:25 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Greg Weston
I don't know, I had always thought that soldiers kill people and break stuff... Sounds like they're doing what they signed up for to me...
229 posted on 04/06/2004 9:01:36 PM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Oh!

Only YOU have it all figured out Joey?

You're the holder of all knowledge Joey?

Here's a fact: they didn't come in through the SW border, did they Joey?

By the way...it would be far easier to enter across the Canadian border, or land anywhere on the coast than to enter through the SW border.

Or even come in legally just like the last time.

You hate everything Mexican Joey, and that's YOUR problem, blinded by your hatred.
230 posted on 04/06/2004 9:02:18 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Pátria, pero sin amo.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
My pleasure.
231 posted on 04/06/2004 9:02:41 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: dodger
Some folks say, As a useful point of reference, the range for annual murders in New York City over the past 13 years is from a Guiliani-led low of ~650 to a liberoid-led high of 2,262 in 1990.

This is not a useful point of reference. There are Millions of people in New York City. There are 120,000 troops stuck in the middle east.
232 posted on 04/06/2004 9:02:45 PM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: Iberian
The Marines (new forces, just replaced)are just settling down. The first round is over and they listen to their corners. I personally would not want to be on the other end. Round 2 starts tomorrow. Good luck finding enough virgins for all of the pajama wearing scumbags.

I'm confident you are right. Having read the book "The March Up", I was amazed by the ability of the USMC to process "lessons learned" and direct appropriate tactical responses in nearly real time. It may be because their Lt. and Major Generals and top field commanders are on the ground, at or near the front.

233 posted on 04/06/2004 9:06:42 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: MEG33; Luis Gonzalez
You got to read about this incident with JF Kerry:

John Kerry has the Hillary attitude

234 posted on 04/06/2004 9:08:20 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Joe Hadenuf; Greg Weston
Good night guys, look forward to debating with you again soon...
235 posted on 04/06/2004 9:11:31 PM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Oh

Only YOU have it all figured out Joey?

You're the holder of all knowledge Joey?

Here's a fact: they didn't come in through the SW border, did they Joey?

Boy, what an intelligent snappy answer. But..er no louie they didn't.

If 19 terrorist entered, no problemo, could not hundreds have already entered or enter. How about those trucks that never get caught with 80 people crammed inside. Lets see, could those people be replaced really mean cargo??

For all you know louie, they could be serving you your slurpy at greedy mart in downtown Miami.

So........ Since they didn't enter their the first time through our borders means it will never happen? Are you serious?

Please louie, do us a slight favor, don't ever go into the security business.

236 posted on 04/06/2004 9:12:38 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Hand em their arse
Take care!
237 posted on 04/06/2004 9:12:58 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: SandRat
"Perhaps an even better reference point is this - - -
The Dieppe Raid that lasted only one day, cost 907 dead among the allied commandos"

Nope. Wrong. In World War Two we had 20 million men under arms, we don't have a fraction of that today. 12 men in one day is like 1200 back in WW2 and at least we were fighting with no hands tied behind our backs. Today the Marine First Division motto was recently changed to "Do NO Harm First".

That is PC taken to the suicide extreme.
238 posted on 04/06/2004 9:15:48 PM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: SandRat
Bump.

A friend and co-worker has a cousin who is a Marine and is right in the middle of all this. All I can think about is how he is doing right now. I'm praying for him and his fellow Marines to get through this battle.

239 posted on 04/06/2004 9:17:16 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: TomasUSMC
Today the Marine First Division motto was recently changed to "Do NO Harm First". That is PC taken to the suicide extreme.

That's disturbing.

240 posted on 04/06/2004 9:17:29 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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