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Up to 12 Marines Reported Killed in Ramadi (CNN)
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Posted on 04/06/2004 2:20:28 PM PDT by victoryatallcosts

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To: FRgal4u


Your support is greatly appreciated.
81 posted on 04/06/2004 3:05:41 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: my right
It's part of the style of endless, pointless, arguing adopted by the left (and their confederates among the right). It's a non-sequiter they like to throw out there, just like Bush's occassional verbal gaffes. I can't tell you how many times I've been taling to a liberal about some policy point when they bring that up.

The problem here is the damned media. They're functioning as agents of our enemies. We had press censorship in the Second World War- if the press can't be pro-American, then we should have it again.
82 posted on 04/06/2004 3:06:23 PM PDT by victoryatallcosts
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To: victoryatallcosts
Freeper or DU dummies or not, I am an American mom first, I care for my family, my neighbourhood, and I don't like what I see with those who has lied, hyped us into this war. These daily deaths will be a reminder for all of us that there are BAD PEOPLE in our government, and it really doesn't matter if they are Reps or Dims. Bad corrupted people has no claim for any political party. How many more deaths do we have to hear in the news before we realize we made a historically wrong decision? I would like to think things are getting better, but the evidence is arguing strongly against that. All these money, all these lives, for what? Just be serious, if those animals want to come to this country and blow us up in NYC, Detriot, what's stopping them? I doubt the war in Iraq will stop these guys coming to fight in our streets. Again, all those armchair supporters of this war, go out and talk to a family who suffer the losses, they are not that difficult to find.
83 posted on 04/06/2004 3:06:27 PM PDT by FRgal4u
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Saddam? Did you escape from your cell?
84 posted on 04/06/2004 3:07:00 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: FRgal4u
Hey, find another place to whine.

Americans are dying because we are at war, you fool!

The US was attacked on 9-11. The world changed on 9-11, forever. Iraq is part of the war on terror. PresBush is doing a remarkable job in prosecuting the WoT and the US military is doing a magnificent job fighting the Islamofascists on their turf.

Your anti-Bush rhetoric makes you sound like a DU crybaby. I suggest you take that BS and stuff it.

85 posted on 04/06/2004 3:08:29 PM PDT by Reagan Man (The choice is clear. Reelect BUSH-CHENEY !)
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To: FRgal4u
If you cared about your children, you'd get 100% behind the President.

Based upon your comments, you're not a "Mon first", you're a stupid and worthless person first, and a bad Mother second.

Now, please go and expidite your voyage to Hell.
86 posted on 04/06/2004 3:08:41 PM PDT by victoryatallcosts
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To: FRgal4u
Just be serious, if those animals want to come to this country and blow us up in NYC, Detriot, what's stopping them?

Hey einstein, you answered your own question. Getting rid of the Islamofascists overseas is the only way to prevent them from coming here.

87 posted on 04/06/2004 3:10:08 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: FRgal4u
I didn't know you are Spanish.
88 posted on 04/06/2004 3:10:48 PM PDT by William McKinley
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To: FRgal4u
People like you created the Vietnam problem. If you would take a moment and think rationally you might begin to understand that Iraq is the center of the war on terrorism.
89 posted on 04/06/2004 3:11:02 PM PDT by hobson
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To: FRgal4u
So when terrorists attack Americans, you decide to attack other Americans. Curious. You aren't Spanish by any chance, are you?
90 posted on 04/06/2004 3:12:06 PM PDT by inkling
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To: FRgal4u
Please go post on DU....
91 posted on 04/06/2004 3:12:29 PM PDT by freebilly
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To: FRgal4u
Are you ready for your children to pray to Mecca three times a day? Islam wants to conquer the world. This may be the big one after all before it's all said and done. WWIV
92 posted on 04/06/2004 3:12:36 PM PDT by Delbert
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To: Integrityrocks; KQQL
I suspect the fear of Bush's #s falling apart are why they are pushing this front now, instead of in September. This has got to just get "handled" and then left to dusty memories. Many prayers for our guys and hurting loved ones.

I disagree. There are lessons to be learned, which call for doing this quickly. Post WWII India, for example.

93 posted on 04/06/2004 3:16:39 PM PDT by unspun (The uncontextualized life is not worth living. | I'm not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate.)
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To: FRgal4u
Just be serious, if those animals want to come to this country and blow us up in NYC, Detriot, what's stopping them?

You're exactly right. What is stopping them? Why haven't they done anything to us since 2001? Because we're slicing and dicing them on their own turf so that they can't mount an offensive against us, that's why!

If we pull into a defensive posture, then we'll be scraping more bodies out from under shattered skyscrapers in our major cities. Thank God you're not in charge of anything.

94 posted on 04/06/2004 3:17:27 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Oh boy, I can't wait to eat that monkey!"--Abe Simpson)
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To: FRgal4u
So your solution is? Would you still have the same emotional feelings after talking to a 9/11 victims family? Should we appease like WWII and end up with many more deaths. Or should we take it to them and get it over now vs. the future.

Your choice. Let's hear it.
95 posted on 04/06/2004 3:17:46 PM PDT by mpreston
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To: FRgal4u
Yep, definitely Spanish.
96 posted on 04/06/2004 3:18:28 PM PDT by William McKinley
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To: FRgal4u
"The best defense is a good offense."
IOW: it saves (our) lives. ;-}
God bless you and your family.
97 posted on 04/06/2004 3:18:48 PM PDT by unspun (The uncontextualized life is not worth living. | I'm not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate.)
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To: KQQL
Anti-War Kerry will hit this hard in next few days right on heels of Kennedy's speech.
98 posted on 04/06/2004 3:22:35 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American Way! Toby Keith)
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To: victoryatallcosts
Be Seated.

Men, this stuff we hear about America wanting to stay out of the war, not wanting to fight, is a lot of bullshit. Americans love to fight - traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble player; the fastest runner; the big league ball players; the toughest boxers. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win - all the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost, nor ever will lose a war, for the very thought of losing is hateful to an American.

You are not all going to die. Only two percent of you here today would die in a major battle. Death must not be feared. Every man is frightened at first in battle. If he says he isn't, he's a goddamn liar. Some men are cowards, yes! But they fight just the same, or get the hell shamed out of them watching men who do fight who are just as scared. The real hero is the man who fights even though he is scared. Some get over their fright in a minute under fire, some take an hour. For some it takes days. But the real man never lets fear of death overpower his honor, his sense of duty to this country and his innate manhood.

All through your army career you men have bitched about "This chickenshit drilling." That is all for a purpose. Drilling and discipline must be maintained in any army if for only one reason -- INSTANT OBEDIENCE TO ORDERS AND TO CREATE CONSTANT ALERTNESS. I don't give a damn for a man who is not always on his toes. You men are veterans or you wouldn't be here. You are ready. A man to continue breathing must be alert at all times. If not, sometime a German son-of-a-bitch will sneak up behind him and beat him to death with a sock full of shit.

There are 400 neatly marked graves somewhere in Sicily all because one man went to sleep on his job -- but they were German graves for we caught the bastard asleep before his officers did. An Army is a team. Lives, sleeps, eats, fights as a team. This individual heroic stuff is a lot of crap. The bilious bastards who wrote that kind of stuff for the Saturday Evening Post don't know any more about real fighting, under fire, than they do about fucking. We have the best food, the finest equipment, the best spirit and the best fighting men in the world. Why, by God, I actually pity these poor sons-of-bitches we are going up against. By God, I do!

My men don't surrender. I don't want to hear of any soldier under my command being captured unless he is hit. Even if you are hit, you can still fight. That's not just bullshit, either. The kind of man I want under me is like the lieutenant in Libya, who, with a Lugar against his chest, jerked off his helmet, swept the gun aside with one hand and busted hell out of the Boche with the helmet. Then he jumped on the gun and went out and killed another German: All this with a bullet through his lung. That's a man for you.

All real heroes are not story book combat fighters either. Every man in the army plays a vital part. Every little job is essential. Don't ever let down, thinking your role is unimportant. Every man has a job to do. Every man is a link in the great chain. What if every truck driver decided that he didn't like the whine of the shells overhead, turned yellow and jumped headlong into the ditch? He could say to himself, "They won't miss me -- just one in thousands." What if every man said that? Where in hell would we be now? No, thank God, Americans don't say that! Every man does his job; every man serves the whole. Every department, every unit, is important to the vast scheme of things. The Ordnance men are needed to supply the guns, the Quartermaster to bring up the food and clothes to us -- for where we're going there isn't a hell of a lot to steal. Every last man in the mess hall, even the one who heats the water to keep us from getting the GI shits has a job to do. Even the chaplain is important, for if we get killed and if he is not there to bury us we'd all go to hell.

Each man must not only think of himself, but of his buddy fighting beside him. We don't want yellow cowards in this army. They should all be killed off like flies. If not they will go back home after the war and breed more cowards. The brave men will breed brave men. Kill off the goddamn cowards and we'll have a nation of brave men.

One of the bravest men I ever saw in the African campaign was the fellow I saw on top of a telegraph pole in the midst of furious fire while we were plowing toward Tunis. I stopped and asked what the hell he was doing up there at that time. He answered, "Fixing the wire, sir." "Isn't it a little unhealthy right now?," I asked. "Yes sir, but this goddamn wire's got to be fixed." There was a real soldier. There was a man who devoted all he had to his duty, no matter how great the odds, no matter how seemingly insignificant his duty might appear at the time.

You should have seen those trucks on the road to Gabes. The drivers were magnificent. All day and all night they rolled over those son-of-a-bitching roads, never stopping, never faltering from their course, with shells bursting around them all the time. We got through on good old American guts. Many of these men drove over forty consecutive hours. These weren't combat men. But they were soldiers with a job to do. They did it -- and in a whale of a way they did it. They were part of a team. Without them the fight would have been lost. All the links in the chain pulled together and that chain became unbreakable.

Don't forget, you don't know I'm here. No word of the fact is to be mentioned in any letters. The world is not supposed to know what the hell became of me. I'm not supposed to be commanding this Army. I'm not even supposed to be in England. Let the first bastards to find out be the goddamn Germans. Someday I want them to raise up on their hind legs and howl, "Jesus Christ, it's the goddamn Third Army and that son-of-a-bitch Patton again."

We want to get the hell over there. We want to get over there and clear the goddamn thing up. You can't win a war lying down. The quicker we clean up this goddamn mess, the quicker we can take a jaunt against the purple pissing Japs an clean their nest out too, before the Marines get all the goddamn credit.

Sure, we all want to be home. We want this thing over with. The quickest way to get it over is to get the bastards. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin. When a man is lying in a shell hole, if he just stays there all day, a Boche will get him eventually, and the hell with that idea. The hell with taking it. My men don't dig foxholes. I don't want them to. Foxholes only slow up an offensive. Keep moving. And don't give the enemy time to dig one. We'll win this war but we'll win it only by fighting and by showing the Germans we've got more guts than they have.

There is one great thing you men will all be able to say when you go home. You may thank God for it. Thank God, that at least, thirty years from now, when you are sitting around the fireside with your grandson on your knees, and he asks you what you did in the great war, you won't have to cough and say, "I shoveled shit in Louisiana."

99 posted on 04/06/2004 3:24:25 PM PDT by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: victoryatallcosts
The problem here is the damned media. They're functioning as agents of our enemies. We had press censorship in the Second World War- if the press can't be pro-American, then we should have it again.

I agree with you, the only problem is we cannot control the world media, but you would think that the people could appeal to our domestic media to support our troups or at least refrain from doing them harm. I would like to see a petition to all major media to help us fight this war.

100 posted on 04/06/2004 3:25:44 PM PDT by my right
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